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Trey

08-13-2005 12:20:02




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I have heard that New Holland tractors are made really cheap compared to JohnDeere, and that New Holland tractors dont hold up well either. I had thought about buying a New Holland but im haveing second thoughts now, I have even heard that they may not be around in the future, have any of you guys on here used a New Holland on your farm alot? If so please let me know your personal experiences with them, wish I could hear from someone thats ran both New Holland and John Deere to see if New Holland had many more breakdowns than John Deere, I was wondering about parts too if they are easy to get from New Holland?

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txgrn

08-13-2005 20:06:34




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
I noticed the last batch of highway mowers were NH. Usually JD. Highway mowing has to be the ultimate test of equipment. Don't know how they fair.

In my NH dealer quite frequently getting parts for my old iron. Seldom see one in the service shop. Lots of everything else.

Mark



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Scott PA

08-13-2005 18:23:14




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
Did you look at JD lawn and garden tractors and their 5000 series tractors, they really look lighter than the older ones, I would hate to test their drawbars out pulling something on a hill. NH should have parts available for a long time, they still sell parts for Ford tractors, plows and cultivators back to 1939 and NH balers back to 1940.



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Wi Craig

08-13-2005 17:17:15




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
Have a late 80's ford, only thing plastic is the housing around the shuttle shifter. No problems with mine. Only bad tractor around is the one not running when you need it!! Craig



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Hurst

08-13-2005 17:16:11




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
We have a 2000 NH tn65 and it has been a great tractor. Only problem was the dry clutch got messed up due to the previous owner removing a snap ring that cause the lever that engages the throwout bearing to drop down all the way and mess up some spring inside? NH agreeed to pay for most of the price for the repair. It has nearly 1500 hours on it and is still running as strong as the first day we got it. The electrical system doesn't mean squat to me, it is fixed if it absolutely needs it to run (nothing yet) or I have some extra time. The only problme I have is the flasher and turnsignal, but that is just a few copper wires, not what is getting the work done. It is a lot lighter than the old trusty allis D17 series 4 diesel we had, but it gets the job done. I don't own a JD, so can't compare, but if I did, there wouldn't be much to compare to, the NH has 0 default so far (like I said the clutch problem was the previous owners fault and we bought the tractor used about a year after it came out). Hope this helps. I am not sure what size tractor you are looking for, that would be very helpful in providing opinions. I also love the old trusty ford 10 series, can't break them (unless you let the steering system run dry for hours lol).

Hurst

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havvey

08-13-2005 16:07:25




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
this is solely my opinion. 1. i don't like the newer john deere's later than the 2355 series. 2. i am not impressed by nh tractors to me after the ford 4600/5600 series they went down hill they are made for the new generation of people. a simple durable steel work tractor is (was) lacking. i think mahindra etc will fill that void at a resonable price.



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Robert in W. Mi.

08-13-2005 15:05:40




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
Check out the link..



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BobMo

08-13-2005 14:53:24




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
I have a 6610S NH and a smaller JD. Both are 2000 models. There is no comparison when it comes to driving. The JD drives like a car. Unfortunately that’s about how is built too. Even though the NH has some things I don't like I'd put it up against anything for ruggedness and durability. Its fuel efficient and dependable.
However since you are listening to people who don't know squat I suggest that you go to NH web site and locate the dealers in your area and ask them about tractors, parts and what you've heard from some local mental giants.

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LumbrJakMan

08-13-2005 14:18:00




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
Well Once Again the General Public is being lead to beleive that your Tractor has to be GREEN to be any good. I collect Farmalls. and I have a Business where I use a 2004 New Holland TC40 4x4 Tractor with a Loader. I enjoy using my Farmalls on the weekends at Pulls . I also Enjoy going out in the -30 Degree winters here in New Hampshire and starting my New Holland to clear my driveway. I have over 12 Attachments for my New Holland , Bush Hog, Post Digger, Finish Mower.York rake , Forks , Grapple Bucket ETC. I recently did a 10 Acre Bush Hog job in So Maine , I ran the New Holland at 2600 RPM for 10 Hours that day and Didnt even use 2/3 of my Fuel in my tank. It Never missed a Beat. I lift 2200 LBS with my Loader. and More with my 3 Point. I like the feeling I get when I get to work and Fire up the New Holland and shift the Tractor into gear and GO TO WORK ! All Tractors have good and Bad in them . I will close by saying this , To get a Comparable John Deere , would have lightened my wallet by the tune of over $ 5000.00 . Not hard to tell where the Money for my Trailer came from now , is it ?

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mcwil

02-21-2006 14:54:20




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to LumbrJakMan, 08-13-2005 14:18:00  
I liked your comments about the tc40, i got one last season, i love it,, though im looking for an old inexpensive small square bailer, have any ideas what it could run?



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RustyFarmall

08-13-2005 12:59:53




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
New Holland and Case-IH joined forces a few years ago to become Case-New Holland global. I suppose it is possible that the New Holland name may eventually be dropped but I am sure that parts will be available for many years.



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NEW

10-29-2005 08:20:39




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-13-2005 12:59:53  
If you want to ask about New Holland and Case-IH go to a New Holland Dealer and ask them about the Letter that was sent out to there customers explaining about the purchase of Case-IH . New Holland purchased Case-IH . Case dealers was telling everyone that Case had Purchased New Holland . New Holland sent a letter to all current customers explaining who bought who . New Holland purchased Case -IH . In the Purchase the Main Company as One was to be Called CNH . Check with a New Holland Dealer and ask . My dealer still has a copy of the letter that was sent out .


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old

08-13-2005 12:39:54




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
Only way to get a good tractor is to get one made before 1970 at least then you have one made in the USA and its is made of metal not plastic



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Hurst

08-13-2005 17:06:59




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to old, 08-13-2005 12:39:54  
I would have to disagree with you on that. We have 2 ford 10 series, one a 6610, the other a 7610 and they both ran hard and were put up wet. The 7610 had its first overhaul at the good old age of 19 and the 6610 had its first overhaul at the age of 13 (it had overheated at some time messing up a cylender causing a knock that finally got really bad, burnt piston). The 6610 was made in 91 and the 7610 made in 86. Both had well over 10000 hours before the overhaul, the 7610 could easily have had over 15000 hours. Both tractor probably got nearly 700 hours a year on them since we owned them. Still great tractors. I personally bought an allis 7000 with cab heat and air, first one on the farm and the electrical system has been fine, the only problems have been worn out seals and gaskets. I think that there were good tractors and there were bad tractors, and the later the model, seems the more the bad tractors there were?

Hurst

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old

08-13-2005 17:29:31




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Hurst, 08-13-2005 17:06:59  
Well you still can't beat them old ones. I have my grandfathers JD-B 1935 and it still has the same rings etc. in it that it did when he was farming with it. Now thats the way a tractor should be. As you said you have had to do work on them and this one does burn a little oil but it still works on the farm. Beat that



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Hurst

08-13-2005 23:07:27




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to old, 08-13-2005 17:29:31  
I don't see how I can beat you if we are running in 2 completely different races. You are talking about a tractor that is less than 1/2 the size the tractors I am talking about and not worked as hard. What did it do all the years that it was on the farm? Old tractors may be heavier, but the new ones are not the scum of the world, they may have some more plastic in places, but plastics are not bad either. Plastics don't rust, they are still strong, they are cheaper to replace in case of damage (why do you think car bumpers are plastice?), and of course keep production costs down some, but if it was all steel, then we would be paying an arm and a leg due to steel prices.

Hurst

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old

08-14-2005 07:45:57




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Hurst, 08-13-2005 23:07:27  
Face it old is always better then new junk that will not last. You can't give me one of those new tractors that will brake the first time you hit something. Plastic has its place, it works good to hold milk but not good on a tractor. But your also probably one of them Yuppie



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Hurst

08-14-2005 11:18:42




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to old, 08-14-2005 07:45:57  
Apparently plastic doesn't work great for milk, because it sure seems that your milk was sour. Did I say that the old ones were not better in durability than the new ones? I didn't think I was coming across that way, I am just saying that in the 1930s the largest tractors were around 50 hp. Engines were very large in displacement for their horsepower, they were not as efficient, and most of all they are not up to date with the new standards. Ran into this problem with our allis d17. It was a great tractor, but where can you get a snap coupler woods 90 inch finish mower? or where can you get a snap coupler disk mower? Can't. Sure there were conversions, but those were just ways to keep them up to date as best the engineers could. Agianm you aren't giving new tractors a fair view. I would rather spend my time on my allis 7000 with cab and air conditioning than on my farmall 140. Newer tractors are designed for a different group of people. I am glad that there are people out there who still love the old ones, because if I had all the money in the world, I would go out and start a tractor company that made tractors the way they should be, but guess what, I don't have all the money in the world to start a business. Tractors are evolving as time goes on. Does this B that is just everything have roll bars? NOPE! what happens if you flip her on accident, say you go over a sink hole that falls in from under you, guess what, when she rolls, you are most likely screwed, where if that happened on my allis, It could roll but I would be saved by the rops, maybe scratched and scraped, but still alive and kicking, not pinned under the tractor. Trucks are the same way, I would not have wanted to be in a 1930 truck when our ford got hit by a freight train. If I had been in that, I would have had more than a broken wrist, scarred face and fractured nose, I would have probably been dead. Old, maybe it is time you face reality, times have changed and that old B is great for show, but I wouldn't wanna use it to farm any more, not efficient. Man power has gotten too expensive, so farmers can't afford to have 10 guys on 10 tractors pulling 3-14 plows. This is where the big tractors are needed, take for example an allis D21, farmers could now pull 5 or 6 bottom plows, meaning hey could cut the number of men needed in half when compared to the 1950s when the WD 45 was pulling 3-14 or 16s. We are moving into an era of accuracy, and efficeiency. We have to be able to get the most off an acre of land that we can in order to make a living. So before you come around calling people a f***ing yuppie, maybe you should think of their view too. I know where you are coming from, you probably grew up on these old tractors and have a passion for them, which I stand behind you there, I hate to hear of old machinery cut up for scrap, but you are also coming from a completely different view. I am coming from the view point of a farmer that makes a living with his machinery and livestock. Sure, I am younger than you being 15, but a 10 year that has a dad that farms can tell you that it is about keeping the farm going. Just so you know, the newest tractor I have, a NH tn65 hasn't broken the first, second, hundreth time I hit something. I would much rather have a newer tractor if I was trying to make a living farming, but if I was just doing a hobbie farm, then sure it is fun to have an old tractor. Hope you understand.

Hurst

P.S. Watch who you call a yuppie, I don't care how old you are or how much you think you know, none of those things give you the right to call a person a yuppie. Don't know if you go to church, but if you do, then you should know better than doing that. People like you are supposed to be the ones the younger generations look up to, but would you want your child, grand child, or what ever going around calling everyone who is trying to make a living farming a yuppie??? Don't think so.

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KenSWLA

08-13-2005 16:11:38




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to old, 08-13-2005 12:39:54  
Especially the John Deere 2010.



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Mike M

08-13-2005 12:25:29




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Trey, 08-13-2005 12:20:02  
I'm a JD man, but I doubt New Holland is built any cheaper than JD. Quailty suffers in everything made today.Too much plastic and electronics not enough steel.



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KRUSS

08-13-2005 15:50:31




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 Re: New Holland Tractors in reply to Mike M, 08-13-2005 12:25:29  
A little parallel comparison. It's been a long time now but when i used to hang around bars i preferred redheads, but I didn't ever refuse to talk to a blonde or brunette. Likely some merits to any make of tractor.



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