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Leroy

08-10-2005 05:19:32




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Does a condenser have to be grounded to work or not? Good spark to end of plug wire before lostening condenser mounted on housing of motor, none after. Could loss of ground be my problem?




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txgrn

08-11-2005 07:48:52




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 Re: Condenser in reply to Leroy, 08-10-2005 05:19:32  
Think of a condenser as a little battery. You can put it in a circuit and charge it up. Open the circuit and it will hold the charge. Close the circuit (if the supply energy has departed) and it will discharge.

It stores energy for a period as determined by size, dielectric material, and circuit things.

You have to have a complete circuit just like a battery to charge or discharge.

In an ignition system one is placed across the ignition points to absorb some of the discharge energy (charge up) of the coil so that the points won't arc and pit. At the end of that cycle (firing one plug) it gives back the energy it absorbs (discharges) ready to do it again for the next plug's firing.

Mark

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Sam#3

08-10-2005 05:44:08




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 Re: Condenser in reply to Leroy, 08-10-2005 05:19:32  
"Does a condenser have to be grounded to work or not?" No! In many applications a capacitor is not connected to ground.
If you're talking about a capacitor in a breaker point ignition system, Yes! In order to provide contact protection one end is grounded. However, the capacitor can be removed and the system will operate until the point contacts burn.
Last but not least, yes, a loss of ground could be the problem also a loss of battery. Check for continuty from the point plate toward the battery. Could have losened something when you disconnected the capacitor.

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Sam#3

08-10-2005 05:50:48




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 Re: Condenser in reply to Sam#3, 08-10-2005 05:44:08  
Read the problem backward. The capacitor is probably shorted. It's connected in parallel with the points. If shorted it has the effect of points not opening.



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John T

08-10-2005 05:35:25




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 Re: Condenser in reply to Leroy, 08-10-2005 05:19:32  
Leroy, First, YES, the condensors case MUST BE GROUNDED TO WORK, as the case is the one terminal with the lil wire (to points) being the other. Its a 2 terminal passive electrical device. One of the functions the condensor serves is to extend the life of the points by absorbing some of the energy stored in the coils primary when the points break open. If not for the condensor, the arc across the points would be more severe and burn them up much quicker.

NOTE: The coil will still fire EVEN WITH CONDENSOR REMOVED but the points will burn up quicker plus the spark will not be quite as good.

Nowwwww www the condensor appears as an OPEN circuit to DC current flow once its charged up. A simple battery powered continuity test lamp should, therefore, show an open circuit if placed across its case and lead. If a test lamp continuity tester glows when connected across a condensor, the condensor is bad/shorted. HOWEVER, if a condensor is bad and becomes a dead short,,,,, the coil will not fire !!!!! !!!

Therefore, if she fires with the condensor removed or disconnected (EITHER from lead to points or its not grounded) but does not fire if its in place, THE CONDENSOR IS LIKELY BAD/SHORTED.

Hope this helps, good luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff retired electrical engineer in Indiana usually lurks on the JD page

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Allan in NE

08-10-2005 05:32:39




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 Re: Condenser in reply to Leroy, 08-10-2005 05:19:32  
Leroy,

Don't know what you are working on, but for a condenser to produce it's leveling effect, it has to be grounded, but it is not going to result in a loss of system voltage as it's negative and positive sides are totally isolated from one another (given it is a good condenser).

That make any sense? :>)

Allan



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Leroy

08-10-2005 07:10:47




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 Re: Condenser in reply to Allan in NE, 08-10-2005 05:32:39  
For complete description of problem go to garden tractor page under Cub Cadet 129 will not run



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