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building a shed w/tarps

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Poor guy

08-09-2005 12:20:19




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Hey guys, I was the one that wanted to protect a tractor from the weather inexpensively.
I was thinknign about building a cheap temporary structure out of 2x4 and tarps.
Would basically be 2x4 framework nailed to a baseboard and then I would cover it with a tarp.
I would anchor the unit down to prevent blowing away.
I am looking for info on how close do I have to have the 2x4's to each other to keep the tarps from sagging to much...I was thinkning about putting them every 3-4 feet. Also, how would I keep the tarps from tearing when I wrap it around a corner on the roof top. I'd like the 2 long sides and the top to be all 1 canvas...
Thanks for the ideas!

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T_Bone

08-10-2005 08:23:48




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
Hi PG,

I think the tarp idea is a waste of money as it won't last long in the wind.

Me, I would spend the same money on metal track (use for all framing including studs)( no metal studs, very thinn gauge) as there a heavy gauge and will last. Then use 28ga corragated sheeting for the roof and walls until you reach the same dollar value as the tarp cost.

Example: 10ft wide x 12ft long x 10ft high, 1 open end

23- metal framing track 2x4x10ft= $46
23- 2ftx10ft 28ga sheeting = $276
Box #7 x 3/4" metal screws= $5
tin snips= $15

Total= $342 at HD prices for a all metal shed, less door, door $100 more.

Have a hill side? Free shed for the digging and scrap lumber.

Build a sod shed. Turn a 10ft square of dirt. Mix dirt and 6" of Water and let stand. The next morning skim off the clay and set aside, then water 6" again, mix and let sit, skim off the clay. Repeat for enough clay.

Now mix 14% clay by volume, dirt, pea gravel and straw. Pour that mix into blocks and let sun dry.

Build shed walls with the blocks laying flat.

To build the roof, pour 8" x 12" x 4" thick blocks. Start on each corner by using blocks layed flat, then use a mortar mix of 14%clay and sand to build up a taper bed for the next block and lay the next block to the inside by 1/4 of block width, continue with the next layers until the blocking is layed on the 4" edge on all four coners. You should now have a open dome roof. Use the blocks on the 4" edge to finish the open dome. Finish the roof with a mortar mix of 14% clay sand mix.

To water proff inside and out, use diesel to fire blast the inside of the building to 2000º for 24hrs, about 25gal of diesel required. I won't go into details on the homemade burner but just pipe fitting and a ball valve with a 55gal drum 10ft in the air.

T_Bone

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Lou

08-10-2005 11:13:06




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to T_Bone, 08-10-2005 08:23:48  
T Bones idea with the metal framing track sounds pretty good. I sure need space think Ill try it. thanks Lou



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T_Bone

08-11-2005 03:06:44




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Lou, 08-10-2005 11:13:06  
Hi Lou,

Your Welcome!

When screwing down the roof sheeting, only put screws on the high ribs as this keeps water from leaking in. You'll need #10 x 3/4" self-taping SM screws for the roof and #7 x 1/2" for the framing and wall skin or the #10's will also work well on wall skin. The hex head self-tapping SM screws work fine for this project.

One SM screw spaced every 8" on the sheeting on studs and rafters. Using a 1/8" pilot bit works well for installing the sheeting as it takes less pressure to set the screw so you don't dimple the skin.

Use the 2"x4" track for 45º corner gussets at each corner or buy some roofing valley metal, comes in rolls, then cut too 2" wide and continous "X" brace from each corner to corner screwed on the wall studs and roof rafters before the sheeting is installed. This keeps the building square and takes the pressure off the sheeting. The "X" bracing is stronger than corner gussets.

You will have to tie the building to the ground some way. A concrete pile's works well. As the concrete is setting up, push in a "U" shaped building hanger (made from track) on a 3/8" rod with a bent 90º on one end. A short piece of wood 2x4 or use large fender washers for the "U" hanger. Wood posts set in the ground before frost level also works well.

When making a 90º corner from track, just slit both narrow sides then fold letting the tabs over lap each other. Shoot a screw in each set of tab sides. Don't "V" notch the joint as it's weaker.

Wiss tin snips are well made. Buy the red handle if right handed (cuts left), or green handle if left handed (cuts right).

T_Bone

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Nolan

08-10-2005 04:29:06




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
The garage-in-a-box things have dropped in price tremendously. You'd be hard pressed to save any money compared to them now.



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john d

08-09-2005 19:16:33




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
If you don't care what it looks like, get some bales of straw, and stack them like bricks into a 3-wall lean-to structure. Size the structure to allow room for your tractor. Drive some 3/8" re-bars down through the bales on each corner, and one in the middle of each wall. Throw a couple of 14' gates (or other appropriate size) on the top, and tie a tarp over the entire thing. One side remains open, but you'll have decent protection from most weather occurances.

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Redmud

08-09-2005 17:09:31




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
I put up a 25'X 40' carport type, but for tall cars, all metal with hardware for 900 dollars, not counting groceries and beer. No factory seconds, all good stuff. The only thing used was the poles, I used oil field pipe, or upset tubing as some say. I set the 8 post, and hung and welded all the red iron myself, loaded my trailer mounted smoker with mesquite, threw on a brisket and two Hogs worth of ribs, iced down the beer and called my friends. They had the sheets on way before the groceries were done. Now figger how big you want yours.

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Bernie in MA

08-09-2005 17:03:13




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
I made a hay shed that lasted 2 years by stringing a cable between 2 trees and throwing a tarp over it. I put the cable thru some plastic pipe I had so it wouldn't cut the tarp.



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gcs

08-09-2005 15:31:04




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
Do yourself a favor and go to Sam's club or Costco and buy one of those 10x20 tarp tent thingees, about $200 buys the frame, roof and all 4 sides, you can have it up in an hour.
The PVC huts are only good if you have no snow.
I built a (roughly) 10x20 quonset hut type with the PVC for the bows, it lasted till the first heavy sticky snow. I now have the Sam's hut.



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Logan in SE Tex.

08-09-2005 14:23:13




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
Just a suggestion, take it for what it is worth. You might try using some 3/4 inch or 1 inch PVC pipe along with 2x4s, it might be cheaper and you could close down on some of the gaps. I am just thinking out loud here, haven't done any pricing. I have seen a man do something like this for a greenhouse, he drilled holes for the PVC pipes to slip into the 2x4s, he used them to make curved/bowed rafters, with 4-way fittings making a ridge beam. As long as PVC is kept from sunligth it will last a while. HTH.

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Harley

08-09-2005 14:10:43




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 Re: building a shed w/tarps in reply to Poor guy, 08-09-2005 12:20:19  
Don"t know for sure, but I think the only way to keep the wind from tearing it all to pieces is to get the old heavy canvas-like military tarp and tie it down real tight. Wind has a way of getting to stuff that you just know will stay put. Military surplus stores sometimes have big tents-tarps, etc. Harley



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