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farmall h no fire past points

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kh in mo

08-08-2005 16:41:36




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my farmall h ran fine when i parked it in the shed after hay season this spring. now it won't hit a lick. The points are firing but none to the plugs. anybody got any ideas?




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kh in mo

08-09-2005 10:28:53




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
Thanks for all the info, I know nothing about firing systems but love old tractors. I'll try the points and condenser first then run continuity on the cap and wires. I can't, being female myself, borrow an emory board from my wife, LOL, but I'll use one of mine. I am in south central Mo.



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Bullfrog

08-09-2005 02:24:14




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
Anyone know the point gap for a Farmall M?



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RustyFarmall

08-09-2005 04:38:38




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to Bullfrog, 08-09-2005 02:24:14  
.020" for a distributor, .013" for a mag.



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John T

08-08-2005 18:37:13




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
kh, if the points are sparking, that tells me the coils low voltage primary (between lil + and - terminals) is continuous and theres voltage on the coils high supply (NOT to distributor) terminal i.e. the ignition switch circuit is supplying voltage to the coil at least.

Next thing to do is to try and clean the contact points using a point file, but replace if they are badly burned or pitted or heavy carbon coated, check the gap, and then see if the coil is firing high voltage. To do that remove the coil wire from the distributor leaving coil end intact and place that bare end to within 1/8 inch from the head or block. Then with the ignition on and voltage to the coil each time the points are closed but then open (manually or by cranking engine over) a spark should jump that coil wire end to frame. If the coil wire fires but not the plugs, I suspect a cap or rotor or plug or plug wire problem, but you gotta at least get the coil to fire before the cap n rotor n wires etc can do their job.

Burned or gray oxide coated or carboned up or mis gapped points are the elading cause of non firing. To see if a shorted condensor may be the problem REMOVE IT (at least its wire to the points) and see if she fires then??? If so it may be bad/shorted.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer

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Allan in NE

08-08-2005 17:54:19




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
KH,

If you have good hot fire at the points and nothing at the plugs, the problem lies on the secondary side of the ignition system.

Coil, coil wire, rotor or cap, plugs and wires.

Sometimes if the battery is low, it can only provide enough juice for the starter and just barely enough for the primary side.

Make sure she spins as it should and has a good blue spark like Cowman says.

Allan

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old

08-08-2005 17:44:27




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
A few things come to mind. Bad condenser, bad rotor and also maybe a bad cap any of them will cause that. By the way where in MO are you??



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wh

08-08-2005 17:37:58




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
condensor is bad.



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Redmud

08-08-2005 17:37:57




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
Replace the condenser.



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the tractor vet

08-08-2005 17:21:21




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
steal one of your wifes emery boards and file the points , i have even got new points that would not fire from Case I H .



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frankiee

08-08-2005 17:11:29




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
Look for corrosion at the ends of the coil wire and spark plugs.
Clean with sandpaper and pencil if necessary.
Unhook the capacitor and try it.
If it works then get another cap.
Make sure the coil is getting full voltage.
Try another coil if have one laying around.
Replace with proper one if the coil does need replacing.



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Nebraska Cowman

08-08-2005 17:06:35




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 Re: farmall h no fire past points in reply to kh in mo, 08-08-2005 16:41:36  
i suppose the coil could be bad. when you open the points you should have a sharp blue spark at the coil wire.



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