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THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!!

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Butch H

07-27-2005 17:50:48




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I have been chasing down leads on old tractors for years. I get really frustrated when I track down that rare tractor tucked away somewhere and the owner just will not part with it. Usually "it was grandpa's tractor and we wouldn't have the heart to sell it". Or, my favorite is:"No,I'm going to get around to restoring it someday". Now you KNOW it's never going to happen and it will just rust away or be sold for scrap. Lately Ebay has been a problem. They saw a $1000 tractor go for $4000 and think that they are worth that much. Just wondering what you folks might think or have had these situations.

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Christos

07-28-2005 20:05:58




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Dear Butch:

I wanted to drop a line as to some of your comments:

" I get really frustrated when I track down that rare tractor tucked away somewhere and the owner just will not part with it."

My tractor is a MF 135. Not a rare model, but when its a '67 and it only has 179.8 hours on it (actual useage) That makes it more valuable. As for parting, thats up to the owner's discretion.

"Usually "it was grandpa's tractor and we wouldn't have the heart to sell it"."

My tractor used to be my father's who died when I was 9 1/2 my brother 7 3/4 and my sister 2 1/2 years old. It is the sole tangible piece of him that I have left that I take an interest in> That alone makes it priceless to me. Something that, perhaps some don't understand.

"Or, my favorite is:"No,I'm going to get around to restoring it someday..."

Well Butch, on 18 August 1993 that tractor never ran again - on 30 June 2005 my tractor was taken to the mechanics where the problem, of some broken valves was discovered ironically today. Not everyone unfortunatly runs on your timetable - I certainly didn't but I look forward to driving my fully restored MF 135 someday in the near future. Not just in my fields, or down the road, but in the local city fair and my University's Homecoming parade when my Fraternity Chapter is reopened.

"Now you KNOW it's never going to happen and it will just rust away or be sold for scrap..." I disagree - see above comment.

I hope that when you looked at that tractor you did it with the owners permission. Because if you did that at my house, you would have been arrested and my mother would not be a happy camper. This is a truly fun hobby as nothing quite is like smelling the freshly plowed earth with a tractor you took from being the next Wal-Mart branded frying pan and what makes it even more special is that it has been in your family for a few decades and you have happy and fond memories as a child on your dad's lap harrowing the field with that tractor and your dad letting you steer it. You cannot buy those types of memories. As Harry Ferguson told Henry Ford at the time of the 'handshake agreement' :

"You don't have enough money in the world to buy me out."

Just an honest farmer's opinon -

Christos

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OH NO - NOT AGAIN

07-28-2005 18:22:46




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
WHEN WILL PEOPLE LIKE YOU STOP COMPLANING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT SO MUCH ?????

ASK YOURSELF THESE QUESTIONS, ANSWER THEM HONESTLY, AND SEE HOW YOU WOULD REACT IF THE SHOE WERE ON YOUR FOOT !!!!!


FIRST: DID ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ASK YOU TO TRACK DOWN THE PIECE OF MACHINERY THAT IS ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. ?????

SECOND: DID ANY OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE A “FOR SALE” SIGN POSTED ON OR NEAR THE MACHINERY IN QUESTION ?????

THIRD: DO YOU THINK THAT THESE PEOPLE OWE YOU, OR HAVE TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO YOU AT ALL ABOUT THEIR REASONS FOR NOT WANTING TO SELL ANYTHING ?????

FOURTH: COULD IT JUST BE THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO BUY SOMETHING RARE OR HARD TO FIND CHEAP, AND THEN PART IT OUT ON EBAY OR ELSEWHERE FOR A HUGH PROFIT ?????

THIS LIST COULD GO ON AND ON.

YOU AND YOUR KIND DO NOT SEEM TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRUE MEANING OF THE LITTLE WORD “NO”, NOR DO YOU SEEM TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT WHEN SOMEONE SAYS IT TO YOU.

GET USED TO IT, MOVE ON AND LOOK ELSEWHERE, OR FIND A DIFFERENT HOBBY OR MEANS OF MAKING YOUR LIVING.

IF THE ITEM IN QUESTION WERE MINE, IT WOULD NEVER BE SOLD TO SOMEONE LIKE YOU. AFTERALL “NO”, OR “IT IS NOT FOR SALE” DO IN FACT MEAN JUST THAT.

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You Are Rude ....

07-28-2005 18:54:19




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to OH NO - NOT AGAIN, 07-28-2005 18:22:46  
I think we get the main idea of your post but here's a few comments regarding your comments. No need to repeat yourself 10 times in your message, we get it, we get it, we get it, we get it, right? Second, TYPING IN CAPITALS IS CONSIDERED TO BE YELLING BY THOSE WITH COMMON COMPUTER SENSE !!! When are people like you going to learn this, when, I mean when? Does this post sound familiar, probably does because it keeps repeating the message over and over and over again. Anyways, you'll learn something every day here on YT. NO MORE REPEATING YOURSELF AND NO MORE COMPUTER YELLING !!!!

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Les...fortunate

07-29-2005 04:01:39




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to You Are Rude ...., 07-28-2005 18:54:19  
Though I don"t like reading all caps, I have never had to put cotton in my ears to cut the decibels from this so-called "shouting". Some of you people who have made up this silly rule should get over it.
Which is more rude, posting in all caps or posting without your handle?



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Butch H

07-28-2005 18:05:23




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Sound wisdom from both sides, Well said guys.



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paul

07-28-2005 15:29:30




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
I understand your point of view, but I kinda side with the person who is keeping grandpa's memory. You can buy any old hunk of iron - that's all it is to you. To the current owner, it is a world of memories. That's where my heart would be at.

--->Paul



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buickanddeere

07-28-2005 13:53:35




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Power Trip. It's often some looser with a yard full of junk or stuff that will some rust into junk. They feel pretty powerful when they can control and stop a winner from another success. Some sucessful person who drives in with a fairly new vehicle, decent clothes, a full set of teeth and cash in thier pocket. Can be stopped and frustrated just by saying "No". A cheap and easy victory for the local "dog in a manger". " Yep, I showed that rich smart *ss college boy who's who". Some venders are in denial and think that even through they keep doing the same thing. That next year they will "make it big" and restore that tractor. Show up in a beatup 20 year old truck and just a U-haul. Wear some ratty clothes, three days beard/no bathing/tooth brushing, talk hick and tell some sob story about the big corporate farmers making it tough for your little farm.

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Bill WI

07-31-2005 07:51:29




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to buickanddeere, 07-28-2005 13:53:35  
Sounds like I'm happier being loser than you are trying to shape us in your mold. You seem to have a problem with the word "no". Guess that's your problem and you're finding out as you judge others, others are judging you.



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Doug in IL

07-29-2005 07:08:04




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to buickanddeere, 07-28-2005 13:53:35  
I don't know where you live, but there are not many loser farmers around here. I remember going to a marketing outlook meeting a couple years ago. I looked around the room while everyone was eating their free lunches. I realized that there where probably more multimillionaires in that room then you would find at a city country club. Hell, a small farmer with 240 acres is worth over a million in land alone. Even a small farmer's equipment line is probably worth more than most people's houses. Do they act or look like they are worth a dime, No. Are their houses or outbuildings missing a little paint, probably. Are their pickups 15 to 20 years old, maybe. Do they have a rusty old tractor sitting around, likely. A city boy shows up with a little cash in whatever kind of pickup, trying to steal his old tractor, does the old farmer know what's going on? You bet he does. That old tractor has been on the farm for 40 years. Chances are real good it will stay right there. I can't believe how many people sterotype the old farmer! A lot of them could buy and sell most city boys many times over. There are plenty of tractors advertised for sale. Leave the old farmer alone. If he wants to sell something, he knows how to do it.

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Nolan

07-29-2005 04:45:46




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to buickanddeere, 07-28-2005 13:53:35  
Just because you don't like my yard doesn't make you a successfull and me a loser.

Just because you showed up in my yard doesn't entitle you to my belongings.



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big fred

07-29-2005 08:17:02




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Nolan, 07-29-2005 04:45:46  
Yup, buickandeere sounds a lot like my U.S. Senator.



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buickanddeere

07-29-2005 22:30:40




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to big fred, 07-29-2005 08:17:02  
Doug , Nolan & Fred.

The situations you describe are the rare exceptions, certainly not the norm. The farmer is noted for being property rich in "frozen" assets but cash poor. Most of these old machines are sitting on severed off 1 acre house and lots from the original farm. All the owner of that 1 acre lot has left is their pride and Dad's old tractor/track/car/barn/house rusting into scrap. Somebody that lets a valuable property, vehicle or machine rot into junk is M.I. A court appointed agent or family/friend power of attorney needs to be found. Most of these machines don’t even have a rain cap over the exhaust. There is an indication of a mental problem when the owner can’t make it from the porch to the tractor with their empty beer can and place it over the exhaust stack.

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Nolan

07-28-2005 11:33:00




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Heaven forbid someone doesn't do what you think they should do. (rolling of the eyes)



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big fred

07-28-2005 07:47:54




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Guess I don't see the problem.



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Good Lookin' Guy

07-28-2005 05:06:05




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
I know how you feel Butch. I spend a lot of time trying to pick up chicks in bars, etc. I'm one of the best looking fellers on the planet yet some of those wimmins just say "no" and I can't understand it. I mean I'm a pretty cool dude and all, lots of money and a nice car ('76 Continental with good rear rubber). Man, this is frustrating, I feel for ya sonny!



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Galen

07-28-2005 04:36:59




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Yeah, it's annoying when you see it rusting to death in the fence row and they won't part with it. You figure, if it had that much sentimental value, it would be up by the house an being taken care of. Everyone takes care of their own stuff differently, but it's a sad sight. I wonder what "Grandpa", or whoever, would say if he were around to see how well his tractor was being taken care of.



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37 chief

07-27-2005 22:37:28




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
We have a F 12 my Dad bought in the 40's from a neighbor a few milew away. I have a lot of memories associated with that tractor, and Dad. The son of the original owner ( in his 80's ) came buy, and wanted to but it. He also had a lot of memories of that old tractor as he drove it as a kid. We said it is not for sale, and that is that. He accepted that, and hasen't been back since. Some times things are just not for sale. stan

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Coldiron

07-27-2005 21:16:06




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Butch, Just figure that it is theirs and if you make the price right it will be yours. If you cant offer enough to make them want to turn loose, then look elsewhere. Kinda like gals, one don`t want you but the next one might. Just keep trying. LOL



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Errin OH

07-27-2005 20:46:15




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
I tend to agree with K-man. Is there something due you just because you spent your time tracking them down when they did not ask you to????



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Rod (NH)

07-27-2005 20:45:23




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Good God man, don't you have anything more important to complain about? Or take up your time talking about? If you've offered to buy something from someone and they say no that should be the end of it. It's none of your business why or what price they might think fair. It's their property to do with as they wish - even if it means rusting forever in a field. Let it go.



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cowman

07-27-2005 20:41:29




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
yup, you can't buy them all. be patient, thre plenty more that are FOR SALE



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Redmud

07-27-2005 20:00:45




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
I have an H farmall that I have been offered more than it's worth, but I don't want to sell it. And it's not what most think, I'm not holding out for more money because I know they want it really bad. I have several antique cars in a building and get lots of calls on them, I tell the callers that my Kids will do something with them some day. never can understand why people get so upset when I say they are not for sale. And there have been times that I gave cars away..

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Mike M

07-28-2005 05:32:28




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Redmud, 07-27-2005 20:00:45  
That's where two fools met. Someone offers me more than somethings worth they are going to own it ! So far nobodys dared to offer.



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Redmud

07-28-2005 07:55:46




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Mike M, 07-28-2005 05:32:28  
That's where two fools met. I like that Mike", I see things more clearly now. Next guy that offers me $350,00 for the old H own's it. It matters not that I would like to keep it in case I need a part for my other H, that $350 will go a long way toward parts.



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kyhayman

07-27-2005 19:22:42




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Its theirs, bought and paid for (I hope). Up to them what to do with it. Sorry, but I dont agree with the Supreme Court, private property is private property.



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John M

07-27-2005 19:11:52




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
Kinda shame aint it. guy up the road from me has a F20,350 diesel with fatcory wide front and what I think is a JD 70,and many,nice old cars and trucks.Wont sell any of them!



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Bob

07-27-2005 18:26:38




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 Re: THEY JUST WONT PART WITH IT !!! in reply to Butch H, 07-27-2005 17:50:48  
1. I have the same feelings you do when I see a machine rusting away, and the owners won't sell it.

2. However, I realize it is the posession of someone else, and it is there's to treat as they see fit.

3. See the Tenth Commandment!



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