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Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent

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Kirk Grau

07-22-2005 12:43:57




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Lost the serpentine belt on my 94 GMC Suburban, 350 engine. Not sure why since everything seems OK and I am pretty sure I had my mechanic replace the belt sometime in recent memory.

Anyway, not liking to spend cash for things I can do reasonably easily I went into the parts store purchased the belt, also compared it to what had been mounted for length. Long story short, what is the trick to getting the spring tensioner far enough out of the way to get the belt back on. Tried brute force with a breaker bar but can"t seem to find a fulcrum location that allows enough travel to get the belt back on. I always tell my kids that if something is too difficult, try to find an alternate approach or even a trick to accomplish the task (of course sometimes things are just difficult, but mechanical things very often have a trick). Trying to take my own advice here. So, does anybody have a method they can give me. Some other tensioners I have seen have a hole the size of a socket to be able to use a wrench, but I am not seeing anything like that on this one.

The urgency is that I told my daughter we would trailer her horse tomorrow and this is the tow vehicle.

Thanks,

Kirk

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Leland

07-22-2005 20:35:14




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 12:43:57  
Most GMs I have done have a hole for a 3/8s breaker bar and then add a pipe to move to the left I belive



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Loren

07-22-2005 18:01:44




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 Hey guys,,, in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 12:43:57  
There is usually(at least to be!) a cast in square "socket" for the ratchet to fit into right in the tensioner body itself. Between the pulley and the mount bolt, facing the front of the vehicle. Just stick a long handle ratchet in there and use that to release the tension.



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Kirk Grau

07-22-2005 18:49:44




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 Re: Hey guys,,, in reply to Loren, 07-22-2005 18:01:44  
Yep, that is a pretty good description of what I was looking for. Just not what you see on this engine. The 5/8 socket and wrench or breaker bar works like a charm though once you see the light.

Kirk



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tlak

07-22-2005 14:01:04




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 12:43:57  
Use a half inch drive ratchet and get it to rachet back as far as it will go then pull toward the tension and try to slip a pipe extension on it and pull.



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Maark

07-22-2005 13:28:10




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 12:43:57  

You might post on the classic truck forum here. It says 1986 and older but have seen plenty of posts for newer vehicles.



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caseyc

07-22-2005 12:53:06




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 12:43:57  
a bad tensioner will throw a belt. grab all the pulleys and make sure they are tight. are you sure the belts are the same length? a shallow socket (i believe 18mm) and a 24' bar should easily move that tensioner. another note i have seen belts thown for no reason at all too.

casey in SD



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Kirk Grau

07-22-2005 13:19:43




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to caseyc, 07-22-2005 12:53:06  
Thanks Casey,

Yes I had looked at each pulley and as I said there doesn"t appear to be an obvious reason to loose the belt. I did compare the belts and they sure seem like the same length. I am hoping this is one of those where it is thrown for no reason. If I loose it again, I will certainly start looking for other causes.

Now to that tensioner. There is a bolt head and washer to grab onto, but it is truly a bolt that attaches the tensioner to the framework of the engine. If I start turning it I just remove the tensioner. Am I absolutely missing something here?

Thanks for the really prompt reply,

Kirk

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Kirk Grau

07-22-2005 13:44:00




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 13:19:43  
OK, Just had one of those light-bulb moments. Thanks to Casey I went back out and put the breaker bar w/ 5/8" socket on the other end of the tensioner. DUH!!! Now he suggested a 24" bar but the longest I have is 14" so it took a little effort, but the belt is now back on and seems to be working fine.

Next problem is that as the belt was going the first time it melted through the plastic portion of the electrical connection for the AC clutch. It is working for now, but would like to kind of patch it up. The electrical connectors are exposed now. feel like I should do something before they corrode and fall apart. Alternative is a new connector, but does it come apart to repair in this way.

Thanks Casey.

This board is about the greatest help desk I know. Pretty much any subject will get pretty good advice or ideas.

Kirk

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Joe (Wa)

07-22-2005 14:37:24




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 13:44:00  
You can buy the harness terminal end for splicing from a GM dealer or Napa. If connector is still mechanically intact just use some brush-on electrical insulator to cover the exposed conductors.

While you're there, count the ribs on that new belt. Should have the same number of ribs as the pulleys. My belt is 6 rib. A friend has a motor home with the same engine. He changed the belt with (I think) 7 rib. Made it all the way from here to Az before it smoked.

Joe

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Kirk Grau

07-22-2005 15:56:29




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Joe (Wa), 07-22-2005 14:37:24  
Yeah, I was kind of surprised when I got to the parts counter, not only did I have to know AC-no AC, but 120A alternator-or not, air injection pump-or not. Each was a different part number.

Probably explains part of the belt differences.

Kirk



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caseyc

07-22-2005 13:54:35




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 13:44:00  
stop by your local dealer and see how/what is available. i am a ford/dodge dealer partsman myself and both of them service connectors and pigtails so i would assume GM would too.

casey



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caseyc

07-22-2005 13:26:34




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 13:19:43  
should be a big bolt in the center of the pulley. put the socket on that one. if memory serves me right you want to pull the breaker bar to the left (drivers) side of the vehicle, not sure on that one though. it will be obvious which way it moves!

casey



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Kirk Grau

07-22-2005 13:46:56




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to caseyc, 07-22-2005 13:26:34  
Thanks Casey,

See my other response. I must have been typing about the same time you were sending this.

Yep, when you know the "trick" other methods seem kind of silly.

Kirk



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Dean K

07-22-2005 14:21:43




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 Re: Calling GMC Experts, kind of urgent in reply to Kirk Grau, 07-22-2005 13:46:56  
The last time I replaced mine on my 94, I used a ratchet with a cheater pipe. I hooked a ratchet strap to the handle to hold the tension for me while I threaded the belt around. DK



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