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1 of 10 dead end jobs!!!

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Dixieland

07-21-2005 15:56:22




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Farmers and Ranchers
This dwindling occupation will see the largest decrease of all sectors, losing 250,000 jobs by 2012. The complexity of modern farming and keen competition among farmers leaves little room for the marginally successful farmer. Therefore, the long-term trend toward consolidation of farms into fewer and larger farms is expected to continue displacing small independent farmers.

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Dave H (MI)

07-22-2005 08:53:30




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Dixieland, 07-21-2005 15:56:22  
Most of the news on RFD contradicts that. I heard tell the largest growth area in ag was small specialty farms. Don't be such a gloomy guy. If you want to worry about something then worry about farm acreage being destroyed. I think the key may be there.



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Kevin Bismark

07-22-2005 16:05:55




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Dave H (MI), 07-22-2005 08:53:30  
Don't know where they got their information from, remember all the big companies picking up sections of land here in Minnesota and clearing it all off and starting farming, maybe they are going by the number of folks starting up and not the size of the operation.



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Kelvin

07-21-2005 18:46:43




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Dixieland, 07-21-2005 15:56:22  
Right now the 'right' people just aren't hungry enough. It'll take about 40 years, but one day when all the farm jobs have gone where the manufacturing jobs are going, somebody over there will be able to make the 'right' somebody over here mighty hungry.

Then the government will probably try to "fix" things. . .

The 'right' people? just think concrete and stripmalls. . .



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Kevin Bismark

07-21-2005 18:04:02




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Dixieland, 07-21-2005 15:56:22  
The thing I remember really screwing things up was probably in the late 70"s, when lots of oil companies and other types of big companies started getting into the farming and cattle buisness for the tax write off, and they got truck loads of free cash from the government just for the effort



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Danny Tabor

07-21-2005 17:25:08




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Dixieland, 07-21-2005 15:56:22  
Many of the farmers here in the Northeast are starting or running a second business on the farm. Whether its greenhouses, woodworking, metal fabrication or even having their own outlets to sell their farm products. I believe by these farmers doing this it shows how flexible and resistant this countries self employed and independant businessmen are. Danny



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RLee

07-21-2005 17:48:35




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Danny Tabor, 07-21-2005 17:25:08  
Ya but what lead us to all this stupidity??-- Versatility!! What else could you expect from someone who's spent any time on a farm!! My point would be, Why do those in the occupation that is the backbone of our Great Nation need to be in such "dire straits" ???



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txgrn

07-22-2005 04:53:37




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to RLee, 07-21-2005 17:48:35  
I think it's supply and demand. Take my hay for example. A 2000 # 5x6 bale of quality ought to fetch $50.

Well, somebody is out there (hobby farmer, custom baler out for the $$$ only ?) selling garbage for $25 and when a customer looks in the local, weekly, area paper and sees $25 a roll, a lot of them don't know what they are buying or don't have the money to pay for the product they need.

Consequently the good stuff doesn't sell. So to sell it you drop your price and loose your shirt....unless you feed it. So that's what I do.

(Custom baler clarification for those who do it: I am talking about minimum fertilization, high weed content, and an over mature crop....stalks and tops...gets the roll count up; but the nutritional value is way down....so the owner has to feed supplements like range cubes, so what did it buy him? I'm not talking about the guy who is a custom baler and does it like HE was buying it.)

Mark

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hay

07-22-2005 05:38:24




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to txgrn, 07-22-2005 04:53:37  
txgrn, i have to wholeheartedly agre with you about hay prices. all the "city folks" or non farmers look at is price. they know nothing and care nothing about quality. most of them read a book on raising livestock and all of a sudden they are an expert on livestock feeding. it's a shame that they don't take the time to really learn what they are doing. like i said, price rules.



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Peter D S

07-22-2005 07:12:38




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to hay, 07-22-2005 05:38:24  
Its not a dead end. Without our farms there is no such thing as national sercurity. A hungry nation is not secure.

I really wish I knew how to farm, but being only able to get to my land once a month I have a very slow learning process.

Get your message out. Get together with other farmers and find a way to get to Joe Schmoo public who buys everything with the walmart mentality. Tell him what quality means.

I buy fresh, I try to buy direct. And I absolutely avoid buying produce that isn't American. And I pay extra for it. I'll do so as long as I can afford to (meaning I have a job), and I can find it (meaning you guys still farm).

So don't sell out to the developers. Someday the farmers that remain will be the most important asset this country has.

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txgrn

07-21-2005 17:22:24




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Dixieland, 07-21-2005 15:56:22  
Well there's more to it than that.

I just got my "High Quality Hay Management" booklet from the local A&M University and I read how much fert it took to grow a ton of hay which has to be replaced annually if you don't want the field to peter out....which is what the field next door has been doing for the past 5 years....Down from 10 ton per acre over the season to 2.

Well pilgrims, at todays prices, the price of the fert (that's fertilizer alone; nothing else; nothing;) required to grow a ton of hay cost as much as you can get for the ton of hay on the local market. Only way I can get any kind of return it to feed it to cows and sell them having raised them on leased land @ $10 per acre per year.

You ain't gonna get there from here. Only (almost)people in ag are retired people like me that do it for the fun of it. Course we could be spending our money on fishing, or lake houses, motor homes, travel, hotrod cars, etc.

Ok you big guys, sound off about all the money you are REALLY making....I'm duckin the flak.

I was out cutting hay yesterday, thinking about my return for my effort and investment and it reminded me of a guy I hired 25 years ago to cut my hay patch.....he was going to make a living on hay. Har Har. Had a new wife and baby and all the financial responsibilityes associated with that.

He didn't even get one round completed and his rig broke down and my patch went to pot cause there was no one else to do it.

Mark

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Bret4207

07-22-2005 05:35:27




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to txgrn, 07-21-2005 17:22:24  
Well, the first thing you do is automatically cut every suggested application rate, whatever it is, in half. This goes for sprays, fertilizer, pretty much everything except seeding. I think you'll find lighter applications work just as well as the heavier. Thats what I've seen anyways. It seems the producers figured out that most folks will follow directions and that puts $$ in their pockets. If I fed my dogs at the suggested rate on the bag they'd be enormous. But Purina would be richer. Same with fertilizer. Try it.Better to make a light application this year and maybe another light application in a couple more years than dump the $$ into one risky shot.

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Tom in TN

07-21-2005 18:30:14




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to txgrn, 07-21-2005 17:22:24  
Txgrn,

I agree with you 100%. I'm retired from a job in industry. My wife is a school teacher who will retire in a couple of years. If we didn't invest in the farm annually, we couldn't continue to farm. The Farm Bureau, our local County Agent, the Farmer's Co-Op, Progressive Farmer, my veterinarian, and all of the other sources of information available, are all out of touch with prices. I do all of the work on my farm and can't begin to do all of the things I'd like to do. I can't afford to spend one nickel on hired help. Fertilizer, herbicide, insecticide, feed, vaccinations, equipment, etc. are so high priced I can't even think about buying them.

If my cows ever go on strike, I'll simply be out of business.

The only thing that keeps me doing it is that I love it. If it ever quits being fun, I'll quit.

Tom in TN

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txgrn

07-22-2005 04:43:14




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Tom in TN, 07-21-2005 18:30:14  
That's where I am. Having just retired, and living in the country, I decided years ago that farming/cattle raising/old iron use and restoration, and relaxing would be my retirement.

It costs money. Every time I have to spend money (like for fertilizer)I just think....now how much would I be spending if I were a dirt track race car owner or had a big fancy bass boat. That shuts me up and I go on about what has to be done..... but I do like to see a well fertilized hay patch ruffling in the breeze. Makes you feel good.

Thanks,

Mark

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RLee

07-21-2005 17:14:14




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 Re: 1 of 10 dead end jobs!!! in reply to Dixieland, 07-21-2005 15:56:22  
Sad but true. Oh for the good GOOD OLE DAYS and I'm a Kid from a Kansas farm just 35 years ago!!!



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