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Dismounting old tractor tires

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Mike from cny

07-20-2005 21:48:41




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Well I had a blow out on my old JD A and managed to get some decent used tires from my boss. So whats the best way to remove the old ones? Done MANY car and truck tires, but never a large tire like this. Any helpful info would be appreciated, not really looking forward to doing this, this weekend. LOL

Thanks!




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supergrumpy

07-21-2005 07:23:49




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
pick a good location, over top of ground hornets nest is pretty common

pick a good day, hot/humid pretty normal

NAPA sells gallon jugs of tire lube, stuff makes the job lot easier, they sell the brush too



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Dixieland

07-21-2005 17:59:15




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to supergrumpy, 07-21-2005 07:23:49  
Nothin like a plan!



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John (MO)

07-21-2005 10:44:51




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to supergrumpy, 07-21-2005 07:23:49  
You've done this before, I can tell.



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PeteNY

07-21-2005 06:46:07




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Mike, Do you know anyone with a Farmall that has a fasthitch? If so, ask him to break your beads for you, we use our Super C and have never had a problem, just put a short piece of 4x4 under the drawbar and push down real close to the rim. Where in NY are ya? We are in Binghamton, so if your close holler at me, maybe use our Super C.
Pete Casekub3@msn.com



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Mike M

07-21-2005 06:17:53




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Depending on how rusted on they are,it might not be real hard. I have had some that I did right on the tractor used a wide flat chisel (I think was made for cutting bricks)drove it in all around the rim between it and the tire to break the bead.A little at a time is all it takes.Then use tire irons and soapy water to get them off. Once the rim is all cleaned up lube up the tire and they almost fall right on. I have also had many I pulled off and used a block of wood and the loader bucket to break the beads down.

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RAW in IA

07-21-2005 16:42:24




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike M, 07-21-2005 06:17:53  
I changed one on our F-20 a few years ago. Hadn't been off in over 40 years. Did it with the wheel still on the tractor, but had to cut the bead with a chisel to get it loose. If I remember rioght I cut both beads.



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flathead

07-21-2005 05:59:10




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
I tried breaking beads on my old 8N tires by driving my truck up on a board on the tire sitting flat on the drive; didn"t work. Tried sledge hammer and pry bars; that didn"t work either. I took them to the local coop and they wanted $70 each to get my old rotted tires off; told them no thanks.

Finally cut the tires off using a sawzall for the rubber and an angle grinder with a cutoff wheel for the steel wire reinforced tire bead; That worked fine.

flathead

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T_Bone

07-21-2005 05:39:32




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Hi Mike,

I use a wood splitting maul to bust the bead. Just put the wedge at the bead to wheel lip and tap once with a single jack, move 3" and repeat for about 18" and the outside bead will pop in. Repeat for the inside bead. You don't need to hit the wedge more than once as it won't do any good if you do. It moves the bead just slightly in each time you move the wedge so in about 12" or so you'll see the bead start move alot to the inside.

I then use a 12" crow bar to start the tire over the rim and use a 24" crow bar to hold the tire from slipping back in.

Pull the tube then work off the inside bead just like above. Reverse to reinstall.

I bought the crow bars at HD, china made and great quality steel for $8eh, then sand the edges round to keep from tearing the tire or tube. Also sand the wedge round. So far I haven't used the 24" bar other than holding the tire as the 12" bar is much easier to work.

Why do I change mine? They wanted $75 a tire to come out here and changing a tire was much easier than taking off a wheel, driving for a hour, waiting an hour for the fix, then reinstalling.

Takes me about 1hr from start to finish to patch a tube and I'm crippled up.

T_Bone

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MMRTI

07-21-2005 05:38:14




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Friend had an 8N with origional tires. He bought new tires and tubes at a store someplace. Tire dealer charged a lot because he didn't buy the tires from him. Dealer sawed them off! Putting the tires on is pretty easy.



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dej(JED)

07-21-2005 05:34:59




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Mike----- -I am going to assume that you have some tire bars. By removing the valve stem slightly, you will know if it has calcium in it. If it does have calcium you will need a hose and a barrel to catch the calcium in. Unscrew the calcium stem from the tube assembly.Take the tire off of the tractor. Next get a wide board or metal ramp and set it on the top of the tire and rim assembly, as if you had made a ramp to the rim. I then use my pickup or another tractor to drive up the ramp. With the weight of the truck on the tire, the bead will more often than not break from the rim. Sometimes however a sledge is needed to wack the tire to get it to come down.
On a few occassions a sawsall will be needed on a very old tire and rim assembly. Once you break one side flip it over and break the other. Next with the stem side up, using a couple of tire bars, remove the one side of the tire. Next remove the tube . Now remove the other side of the tire and clean the rim before installing the new tire. Also when you air the new tire tube assembly up, wrap a chain around it and always work inside of the rim while airing it up. Be sure to check the rim and make sure it is good to use. Over the years they get weak and they have been known to blow to pieces often injuring the guy assembling them. I am 50 and I still do my own, but the 18.4 X 38's are getting to be a bit much.

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dhermesc

07-21-2005 05:08:54




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Use a sawzall and cut them off. Much easier then trying to do it the "proper" way.



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Burnie

07-21-2005 03:12:26




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Firstly, I"m with Jerry, get someone else to do it. But if you must have all the fun for yourself here are a few pointers.
It will be eaiser to leave the rim on the tractor but make sure any water is removed and there is no way it can fall off the jack [safty stands are highly recommended]. The sliding hammer type bead breaker is pretty useless in this situation, you are better off using an air operated one or the type you hammer in then turn a nut to spread the fingers. I have sometimes had to cut tyres off rims with a 9 inch angle grinder and metal cutting disk but you have to be very carefull of kickback and rim damage. When levering the tyre off the rim, start at the top and work your way around. Same with putting on the new ones: rest the top of the bead on the rim, push on the tyre and hit it on bit by bit with a big hammer. It would be good if you had someone to help you; I"d do it but you would have to pay my airfare. Good luck with it Mike.
Burnie.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

07-21-2005 02:08:29




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Mike from cny, 07-20-2005 21:48:41  
Hire it done for you. The tire people have the tools that make a very hard job easier.



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ChadS

07-21-2005 05:52:00




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 07-21-2005 02:08:29  
I driven a loader intothe sides to break the beads, jak it up and remove em with tire tool, and a big spud bar, get a haelper, its not easy doing it one man band style. that, or do what Jerry Mentioned,, take em and have em done. Chad



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8e3k0

07-21-2005 06:27:07




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to ChadS, 07-21-2005 05:52:00  
For all rear tractor tire removal we use a front end loader to break the bead. Lay tire and rim flat on any rigid surface preferably concrete and tilt bucket to maximum tilt, use front edge of bucket and push down as close to rim edge as possible. If the old tire is stubborn you may have to move around the rim edge in a couple of different locations. Once the bead releases from that side of the rim , flip tire and rim over and repeat same on the other side. Saves a lot of frustration and grunt work. Ellis

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chris sweetland

07-21-2005 06:58:44




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to 8e3k0, 07-21-2005 06:27:07  
the people i had come change my backhoe tire cut a hole in the old tire hooked a chainin it and on a hoist and ripped the old tire off then they set the bottom of the tire over the rim hooked the chain on the inside picked it up and one bead was on the next one was done the same way now i change tires with a chain and front end loader but theres a little tire place here that if you buy the tires from them theymount em for free olny if you bring the tire and rim to them they wernt too happy when i came with two payloader tires hehe

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Delbert from Lincoln

07-21-2005 07:15:36




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to chris sweetland, 07-21-2005 06:58:44  
If you hire it done, and when the tire guy gets it back onto the rim, If he starts spraying starting fluid around "to seat the bead" run like he11.



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Mike from Cny

07-21-2005 21:13:28




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 Re: Dismounting old tractor tires in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 07-21-2005 07:15:36  
Thanks for all the comments everyone. I have a JD 420 crawler loader that seems like it may do the trick. The blown out one will be cut off, the other, still good one will have to be salvaged since a friend just had the same problem as well, lol. I'm 21 and somewhat poor so farming this one out isnt possible, plus I'm too cheap to pay someone! I'll post when I get it done.



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