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OK to Over-torque Head Nuts?

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Russ (NM)

07-05-2005 17:37:49




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Just got it all back together after replacing valves, rings and oil pump on my 1941 Ford 9N. Had the block tanked, and head milled. All new gaskets.

Tried to start it (it wouldn't) and I noticed some coolant seeping out from between the block and head.

I torqued the head nuts to 55 pounds like the book says, but I wonder if I should go a little harder.

Is it best to use gasket compound on the head, or go with the clean metal gasket like I did?

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txgrn

07-05-2005 19:02:49




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 Re: OK to Over-torque Head Nuts? in reply to Russ (NM), 07-05-2005 17:37:49  
My experience of half century is this.

I use Kopper Koat on all head gaskets. It's made for that. The spray is very convenient. Don't remember the last time I had one leak or blow after installation.

Torque consistency is more important than specific torque although you need to be around the area of design. I use an impact wrench for torqueing heads but we won't go into that again.

If you over torque the bolt, you stand a chance of breaking it which is a very big no-no. Suggest you get a torque spec for the grade and size head bolt before you over torque and remember the specified value is for a clean, dry interface of the threads. Dirty threads or oiled up slick threads put different stresses on the bolts for the indicated torque.

HTH.

Mark

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Hoosier JD

07-06-2005 18:17:17




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 Re: OK to Over-torque Head Nuts? in reply to txgrn, 07-05-2005 19:02:49  
Your statement that oily threads change torque values worries me a little...a little different area, rod bearings on a gas 4010. I replaced them along with new bolts and I don't remember if they were "oily" or not. I know that I dipped the bearings in motor oil before putting them in. If the bolts did have oil on them, would that change my torque enough to hurt it? The tractor is only used for play and plowing snow here in Indiana. I have run the tractor for approximately 9-10 hours since I worked on it with no noises or problems (knock on wood). Thanks, Mike.

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txgrn

07-08-2005 04:48:53




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 Re: OK to Over-torque Head Nuts? in reply to Hoosier JD, 07-06-2005 18:17:17  
Torque is merely the pressure applied to overcome the resistance to rotation. If you slick em up, you just reduced the friction so you can apply more actual torque for the same amount of pressure applied.

I doubt that over tightening due to your oil would hurt any thing. I usually do as you do and never had a problem. But I have no idea what the difference between a new engine torqued dry and an old engine with the threads lubed up would be. Besides, how do we know that the machine bolts that are used at the mfgr. don't have a little oil on them to help keep them from rustin or as a result to their mfgr. process.

I guess you didn't break any bolts and I guess it hasn't blown up so I guess you are good to go....lotta guessin. Grin,

Mark

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Bob

07-05-2005 17:56:28




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 Re: OK to Over-torque Head Nuts? in reply to Russ (NM), 07-05-2005 17:37:49  
I wouldn't be too much in a hurry to over-torque it. I would start it up, warm it up, and then re-torque it to specs.

Contrary to what some "naysayers" say, a couple of coats of cheap aluminum spray paint, or a "Copper Kote" type of spray on the metal gasket before installation will prevent a lot of weeps, seeps, and drips!



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txgrn

07-05-2005 19:04:55




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 Re: OK to Over-torque Head Nuts? in reply to Bob, 07-05-2005 17:56:28  
Is it Copper Coat or Kopper Koat? I can never remember. Could go out to the shop and look I guess. I do know it contains copper powder however.

Mark



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