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Gettin' Dumber By The Minute

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Allan in NE

07-02-2005 05:17:59




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ARAGGH!

I'm on a "Relearning Curve" here.

The boys over on the Implement board straightened me out on why I popped the sheer-bolt on the NH 849 baler pickup yesterday. Read: "Please don't overfill".

Okay, I'm 70 miles from a New Holland dealer and it is the 4th of July weekend anyway.

Sheer-bolt measures 1/4" x 1 1/2". Can I get away with just putting a grade 8 bolt in there? Or, should I stay with the softer grade 5 bolt?

(Pardon the sloppy tie)

Thanks,

Allan

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R. John Johnson

07-02-2005 13:17:22




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Allen

After reading posts on both boards I have come to two conclusions.

First, New Holland's Auto Wrap is a wonderful thing. If you can find a junker to steal the parts off and add to your baler, do it.

second, slip clutches are a wonderful thing. Luck of the draw, but nothing here has one, and hopefully will stay that way.

My 2 cents

John



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KEH

07-02-2005 12:17:35




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Allan, I hope you are finished by the time you read this. Every NH baler I had used up shear bolts, sometimes I would replace them anyway if they hadn't broken on the theory they had had time to be made weaker.

Field looks good. 495 doing its job. I see you are a true professional farmer, you stopped in the shade to work on the baler.

KEH



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Allan in NE

07-02-2005 09:34:26




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Okay,

Ran into town and bought a pocket full of bolts. Haul out there and put one in, start 'er up and it promptly snaps the new grade 5 bolt.

So, I gets to studying the silly thing and it was just like the Cowman said. I had to "re-cock" the safty mechanism to get the stop block back out of the way. I then put in another new bolt and she now works like a charm.

So, bottom line was that there never was anything wrong with the baler at all, it was just my ol' pee brain being out of kilter as per usual.

Still, I'm gonna re-adjust that pointer on the gauge, if possible, so that it reads at the "Stop Now" line when it is time to tie off. The way it is now, when it reaches the "Stop Now" line, ya go looking fer bolts.

Lesson learned. :>)

Allan

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pcy1066

07-02-2005 09:16:16




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
allen on my old 850 chain bailor and my new br series a standard bolt wont go thru the hole its a new hollond thing, about 20 minites with a good drill will fix that



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Vern-MI

07-02-2005 08:26:56




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Reference this old posting:



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Sid

07-02-2005 07:58:09




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
OK OK if I may lets back up a little bit. I question some of the advice and have some questions of my own. Someone suggested a grade two bolt, a soft bolt will bend and not snap off causing damage the sheere bolt is designed to prevent. Maybe not every time but I have seen it done. Next comes the color of the bolt. allen mentioned the yellowish color of most grade eight bolts. If I go to the hardware store and buy a grade eight bolt it will be this color. This color must be a result of the tempering process or something. Can someone explain? I went out and looked in my tool box to see what grade my NH shear bolts are and they were not marked but they were black not shiny. I see these colored bolts a lot in applications were a good quality bolt is important and you would want a hardened bolt. Again why are they black. The bolt Allen took out may have not been the right bolt. It seems to me that a bolt that is too soft has the potential of causing as much if not more damage.

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Galen

07-02-2005 09:35:06




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Sid, 07-02-2005 07:58:09  
The goldish color on most gr8 bolts packaged for retail sale is a corrosion prevent finish. Bolts that are SPECIFICALY made for a certian manufacturer (in this case - NH), and application, are not required to contain markings of any kind. This is because they are ASSUMING you will return to them for replacements. They are considered a PART, not a fastener.



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Vern-MI

07-02-2005 08:23:45




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Sid, 07-02-2005 07:58:09  
Hexavalent chrome finish is for corrosion resistance.



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txgrn

07-02-2005 06:57:16




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Couple of thoughts.

It took an over filled baler to pop the 8. Dunno how long it was in there and how many hours of shear stress it endured before popping.

A grade 5 may hold and if it doesn't you can use a handfull till you get done or the weekend is over.

Or you can go bummin around trying to beg-borrow-steal one.

Don't overlook old JD square string balers 24T) in your search. They use a 1/4 x 2 1/2 as I recall.

Good luck.

Mark

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Nebraska Cowman

07-02-2005 06:55:40




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
use grade 5, just make sure it fits the hole snugly. I got the wrong bolts from NH one time and it was eating them like candy.



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Dug

07-02-2005 06:55:42




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Allan,

Keep posting the questions 'cause you are making me smarter by the minute! Keep it up and I'm gonna become an expert hayman, and I have never baled hay! : )

I use grade 5 for shear bolts on everything. Seems to work fine, hard enough to carry some pressure, but soft enough to break before any real damage is done. Of course all my implements are $100 auction finds that seem to be on their last leg!

Dug

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Allan in NE

07-02-2005 07:27:02




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Dug, 07-02-2005 06:55:42  
Hi Ya Dug,

Heck, everything I own is old junk; and really, to be honest about it, that's the fun of it.

I'm so darned old that I've got this thing running in the back of my mind all the time, remembering how well it worked when it was new.

Shoot, will a little fixin', the old stuff should work just as well today as it did then, even tho it doesn't cost an arm and a leg like the big boys' toys do. :>)

We're on the right track, if we can just put up with being broke down occasionally. :>)

Allan

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Dug

07-02-2005 22:15:29




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 07:27:02  
Sure, Allan, I've been watching the pictures of your "old junk". If my stuff was in half the condition of yours I'd be driving it in parades every weekend!

Dug



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old

07-02-2005 06:37:27




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
I have 2 packs of them shear bolts, to bad you live so far away. LOL



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Allan in NE

07-02-2005 06:41:05




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to old, 07-02-2005 06:37:27  
Yeah,

Every 'spare' carrier on the old hooter is empty. Such is to be expected when buying old iron, I guess. :>)

Allan



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old

07-02-2005 07:21:35




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 06:41:05  
One thing I have learned over the years, when you get a new toy to play with there is 2 things to do.
1- get the manual
2- always get a hand full of shear bolts, till you learn how it like to work you will brake a few of them no matter how new or old it is thats just how it goes.



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Chris(WA)

07-02-2005 06:25:52




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Allen,
The grade of the bolt is not coded by the color. The code is in the marks on the head of the bolt.Dashes placed radially around the face of the head. A bolt with no marks is an ungraded or grade two. Three marks is a grade five. Six marks is a grade Eight.Can't say I have ever seen a shear pin that was grade eight. Pretty tough bolt to shear off. Normally see grade two's. You want it to shear if there is a problem. Hope this helps.

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Coloken

07-02-2005 06:05:56




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
I think grade 5---but don't bet on me. the reason I respond is that it sounds like it is a standard NH baler (square bale) bolt. Any body with a NH baler will have a handfull---drive up and down the road and when you see a baler , look in their tool box. Any body that considers himself (or herself) a baler person will not mind you swipping one--just don't take their last one.



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Allan in NE

07-02-2005 06:11:57




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Coloken, 07-02-2005 06:05:56  
Morning Kenny,

Yesterday morning, I checked every one of those derned sheer-bolts and thought at that time that I really should have a bucketful of the rascals.

The NH ones are a grade 8, but I think they have a sheer groove built into 'em. 'Course, I'm just going by the color of the bolts; they are that yellowish-greenish color like most grade 8s are.

So, you're probably right. A grade 5 standard bolt might work better since I can't get the "correct" bolt today.

Allan

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Coloken

07-02-2005 06:19:55




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 06:11:57  
Being a farmer, any thing will work. Main thing is the bolt can't have threads where it bears/beres-whatever. You know what i mean.



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RustyFarmall

07-02-2005 05:36:17




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
I am certainly not an expert on such matters but I think a grade 5 is what you want.



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Delbert

07-02-2005 05:27:24




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:17:59  
Alan i think you are getting smarter at lest you won,t do that again. Just think the longer you live the more you find out.



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Allan in NE

07-02-2005 05:42:37




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Delbert, 07-02-2005 05:27:24  
Aw,

I'm just upset with myself.

Those fellas over on the implement board no more than got it out of their mouths and I distictly remembered my hired man back in the 80s (who owned that particular baler) cautioning me that this would happen if I let it get too full.

I shoulda remembered. :>(

Allan



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Tom Dooley

07-02-2005 06:35:52




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Allan in NE, 07-02-2005 05:42:37  
If you use that grade 8, you might want to wear ear plugs and a hard hat. Tom



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Ken Macfarlane

07-02-2005 07:54:57




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 Re: Gettin' Dumber By The Minute in reply to Tom Dooley, 07-02-2005 06:35:52  
Some square balers use Grade 8 bolts... We were using lower grade and the smearing action when they broke was bunging stuff up.



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