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Turn over vs. fire

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Chad Franke

06-28-2005 10:37:40




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I've seen it before and it bugs me every time, my wife does it too.

"It won't turn over." means the engine won't rotate, the starter is stuck, the battery is dead, the motor is stuck...

"It won't fire" means the motor will spin over, but it will not fire a cylinder.

I can't count the number of times my wife has said "the mower won't turn over", I think "great, now what?" walk out, grab the rope and it pulls...squirt some gas in the carb and it runs...it turned over from the start, but it wasn't firing.

Is it different in different parts of the country, where "turn over" means something different? Hard to diagnosis an "it won't turn over" symptom when the person means to say "it won't fire"...

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ejr-IA.

06-29-2005 08:55:12




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
Here it's called a dingus.



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Definitions,, Have fun

06-28-2005 22:20:46




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
Noun 1. DOHICKET - something whose name is either forgotten or not known

THINGAMAJIG; Informal Something difficult to classify or whose name has been forgotten or is not known.



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NC Wayne

06-28-2005 19:46:04




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
As an equipment mechanic your descriptions of each condition is accurate in my experience. I can also say from experience that you've got it easy if having to define "turn over" is the worst problem you have trying to diagnose a breakdown. Working on equipment for a living I can't even begin to count the number of times when I've gotten a call about a machine being down or gone out to a machine and gotten three or four different descriptions of what the machine was or wasn't doing when it quit...often times all from the same operator. Worse yet spend half a day or longer trying to diagnose a problem on a machine that won't run, only to have the operator tell you that "Oh yeah, I forgot, it also did ---whatever--- one time just before it quit" and send everything into a totally different direction making what you've done so far a big waste of time....Then when I get the machine running I find that the one problem that finally shut it down was only one of many cascading problems. I worked on an engine driven compressor awhile back that was running and being used til it quit. When I finally got itrunning again I found diaphrams in the control system busted, wires broke, etc etc etc....the fact that it was running at all was a miracle but when I know it was actually being used and, they said, operating "correctly" I simply can't explain it because it should have died long before it did. But that's what makes the job exciting and challenging and I love it....

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Mark - IN.

06-28-2005 17:22:43




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
Don't be too tough on the wife though, because even if you don't pay for it today, you will one day, long after you've for gotten and least expect it.

One more thing. Your wife has her favorite perfumes, right? Pretty much sticks to them? Ever been in a store with the wife and she stops at the perfume counter and tries a few? Maybe on the wrist, or on a card that she waves in front of her nose, and then doesn't buy them? Know why that is? Making a mental catalog of every brand ever manufactured, so if you come home smelling of "Midnight Moon Glow", or some kind she doesn't wear, she'll name it right after you go through the John Wayne Bobbit procedure. I had a boss once who's wife called me at home late at night asking where he was. He told me that he was meeting her when he left early that day, and that's what I told her. Then she told me that he told her that he and I were going out after work. Not that I'd have lied for him, but Oh Oh. Then she told me that he'd been "working late" a lot and coming home smelling of "Este' Lauder", a brand she didn't wear. I wondered how she'd know that if she didn't wear it. Then a light bulb went off...trying them at the perfume counter, and never buying them, building a mental catalog of very, very, very wrong perfumes. So, the next time you're in a store and you see some lady trying on perfume and whispering to the lady behind the counter, keep in mind that they're plotting some guy's murder.

Mark

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Bill(Wis)

06-28-2005 16:36:09




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
Back in the days of recips a pilot would occasionally write up "engine missing". Mechanic would sign off "engine found in place".



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I Like Case

06-29-2005 09:51:49




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Bill(Wis), 06-28-2005 16:36:09  
That reminds me of one I heard once where a pilot complained that the No. 3 engine had and oil leak. The mechanic signed it off saying "oil leakage normal." The next day the pilot wrote up another squawk saying "engines 1, 2 and 4 lack normal oil leakage."



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Bill(Wis)

06-29-2005 16:56:18




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to I Like Case, 06-29-2005 09:51:49  
Yeah, I remember that one too. Then there was always the argument over whether it was a seep, a drip, or a leak.



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buickanddeere

06-28-2005 13:50:09




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 Runs Out Good stupid saying if there ever was one in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
If some dick tells me the machine "runs out good". It's time to play with his head. The questions start about run out of every single rotating part I can think of. And did he measure them for run out with dial indicators and balancing both static and dynamic. Then questions about the vender measuring end play, bearings and their clearances etc etc etc. On and on about run out only on the single topic, as in a rotating part that is out of spec and wobbling on the X or Y axis. Then asking which parts were out of spec and repaired or replaced to correct the run out. Pretty soon they quit using the phrase "runs out good".

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ohio puller

06-29-2005 16:29:53




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 Re: Runs Out Good stupid saying if there ever was in reply to buickanddeere, 06-28-2005 13:50:09  
Just a little something to think about. The saying has been around for many years. It use to describe a horse when being sold,example,she runs out good and use to be big around race car people and fans. Yes I know what run out means,but I'm not going to put somebody down or make them look stupid because they use the term to describe something. Besides who knows who used the term first and can you prove it only has one meaning??? Just wanted to give you something to think about.

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Chad Franke

06-28-2005 14:14:06




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 Re: Runs Out Good stupid saying if there ever was in reply to buickanddeere, 06-28-2005 13:50:09  
That's a good one, hadn't heard someone say "runs out good" or I would have thought the same as you. What did it measure?

No offense intended to those who don't know, but when people use a term wrong...Had a college professor who said the first day of class, "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask and assume you know the answer."



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Coloken

06-28-2005 11:55:55




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
Agreed. Very hard to help when using wrong discriptions. I've gotten calls for help on computers for years. Learning to use the proper terms has been a real education for me. Like talking some one through 30 minutes of testing. Hey! to all you new tractor people, we do not mean to make fun or critisize---this is just part of the learning/helping. Don't be afraid to ask even if you have to say "dohickey" or what ever. I hurt a nice lady's feelings last week and got yelled at when I meant no harm.
Kennyp

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old

06-28-2005 10:57:08




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Chad Franke, 06-28-2005 10:37:40  
I know what you mean bugs me also. Its hard to help some one fix there problem when you also have to read there mind to do so. Guess some one should post a list of terms so every body will be on the same page so to speak



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Dave H (MI)

06-28-2005 13:17:39




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to old, 06-28-2005 10:57:08  
OK....you first....

What does "dohickey" mean?



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old

06-28-2005 13:28:01




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Dave H (MI), 06-28-2005 13:17:39  
Well that would depend on which tractor you are asking about. LOL One dohickey on one type of tractor is differant then one on another tractor. But most of them is what people can't figure out what it is and then it becomes a dohickey



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Dowhat?

06-28-2005 14:10:09




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to old, 06-28-2005 13:28:01  
Correct me if wrong Old, but if you have two dohicheys doesn't one of them have to be a whatchamacallit?



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JDknut

06-29-2005 09:06:31




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Dowhat?, 06-28-2005 14:10:09  
If you have 23 odds and ends on a table and 22 of them fall off, what do you have left, an odd or an end??



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old

06-28-2005 14:57:41




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Dowhat?, 06-28-2005 14:10:09  
Only if its on the same tractor. If its from a differant tractor it could be either LOL



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Txsprigger

06-28-2005 14:14:32




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Dowhat?, 06-28-2005 14:10:09  
One is a whatchamacallit and the other is a thingamajig.



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T.K. inPA

06-28-2005 15:41:44




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Txsprigger, 06-28-2005 14:14:32  
we call it a thingamabob



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Mike from cny

06-28-2005 15:38:24




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Txsprigger, 06-28-2005 14:14:32  
What about the Transfunction Disformer, from my deeres to my allis, they all have one!



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chris sweetland

06-28-2005 19:05:50




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 Re: Turn over vs. fire in reply to Mike from cny, 06-28-2005 15:38:24  
ive got the problem with my whatchamadinger on my thingamabob cas the whogy wont do the flashy thing i got a ford 600 that came in to shop that had lost spark thats the description i got i thought he ment the crome emblems wernt shinny enough so i polished them and sent it back i think i may have screw my reputation doing that



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