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Can't even use

06-27-2005 20:53:26




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Off topic here but just read an article in our Farmers Exchange about the DOT rules we farmers are exempt from. The biggest one I am trying to check out is the fuel issue. I have always been told that we had to run the green taxed fuel but the article which was taken from a Purdue University article said we could use the red untaxed fuel. So before running the red stuff I am trying to find out the truth. Anyone know for absolute sure? Would save a bundle for all of us. Thanks for any help. Oh, I can't seem to open the link for the Purdue article but will post it for ya'll to read if for yourself. Scroll down I think it is article 68.

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T.K. in PA

06-28-2005 15:54:35




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
in Pennsylvania any truck licensed for hiway use must run undyed fuel. here we have what PennDot calls Farm Truck exemptions, no license just a sticker on the door. daylight to dark operation within 10 mile radius of home farm. those trucks are allowed to run dyed fuel.



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Jerry L /AZ

06-28-2005 08:15:53




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
I worked for a rental yard and was head mech for a few large equipment companys. This is what we were told.by the dot as long as the piece of equipment did not leave the site we could run any fuel we wanted But if that piece of equipment entered onto any city or state road or hiway it had to have the taxable fuel in it period. I can't remember how many fuel tanks that I've had to drain, flush and refill. here they dye the untaxed fuel. and you just can't add fuel to delute it as you will still have dyed fuel the subject of Farm plates as I understand it is for taking goods from farm to market and only good in the county/state they are issued.just my thoughts Jer

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dr.sportster

06-28-2005 11:37:09




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Jerry L /AZ, 06-28-2005 08:15:53  
Last year or so my company had to rent a generator for temp power.It stated on a decal anyone that put red fuel in it would be paying the mechanics at the rental place to get it all out.



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Jerry L /AZ

06-28-2005 15:40:26




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to dr.sportster, 06-28-2005 11:37:09  
Yep got that right charged them for the labor and the new fuel but the state boys still checked our tanks Jer



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Joe(TX)

06-28-2005 08:09:21




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
I was at an auction where the state troopers came in and sample fuel in several trucks and fined anyone who had off road fuel in them. That answered the question for me.



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Can't even use my name

06-28-2005 06:13:00




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
I think I forgot to mention I was referring to grain trucks and not pickups. I don't have a problem with paying taxes on the pickups fuel, of course I don't know where that money for the roads actually goes 'cause our roads are horrible.



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paul

06-28-2005 09:42:12




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-28-2005 06:13:00  
It does not matter in minnesota, if it's got a licence plate (& a grain truck needs one) it better not have red fuel in it.

--->Paul



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edchainsaw

06-28-2005 19:14:42




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to paul, 06-28-2005 09:42:12  
I dont know what PURDUE was talking about cause ISP and DOT both told me if it has a plate... no dyed fuel.. no if's ands or buts.. not even if you run out and only have 2gal in that 100gal tank... it will show and they will fine.



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john in la

06-28-2005 06:24:25




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-28-2005 06:13:00  
Does not matter.
Grain truck; pickup; log truck; If it has a licence plate it has to have green (taxed) fuel in the tank.



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Can't even use my name

06-28-2005 15:07:01




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to john in la, 06-28-2005 06:24:25  
Yep, I couldn't open the document until I downloaded the newest version of Acrobat Reader and now I have read the whole thing so all is clear to me now. I will continue to run the green stuff.



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farmweld

06-28-2005 06:05:00




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
here in ohio, anything offroad you can use dyed diesel, but anything onroad you must use taxed diesel. i do know, however, many people who do it anyway. fine is around 1000 bucks a gallon. not worht it to me.
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thurlow

06-28-2005 05:49:07




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
In Tennessee, if it's a licensed vehicle, it must use taxed fuel..... .no matter where it's being driven. AND..... .the guy doing the testing can do things the County Sheriff or other law enforcment agents can't do; such as enter your property and pull a fuel sample without a warrant..... by state law. Been there, done that (had that done).



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Redmud

06-28-2005 04:30:40




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
Farm plates or not, it's still a personal vehicle.

Farmers are accusing the IRS of entrapment resulting from an IRS investigation to find out if the farmers were using the non-taxable fuel in their personal vehicles. The investigation took place at a farm show in Fort Wayne, Indiana. States News Service, 1/16/97



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RustyFarmall

06-28-2005 04:29:36




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
Apparently you read it wrong. There would be a huge fine if caught using untaxed fuel on the road in Iowa.



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john in la

06-28-2005 04:27:32




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
Can not see where you came up with that. A farmer is exempt from paying the international fuel tax (IFTA) but that is only because you do not cross state lines. Go to another state and you even loose this exemption.

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Often Wondered ....

06-28-2005 04:15:54




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
Often wondered why farmers get to drive their vehicles with the untaxed fuel on highways, etc. Although the tax just goes into the general fund in most places, it arguably goes (directly or indirectly) to road construction and upgrades so why are farmers exempt in some places (at least I think they are)? Our farm trucks break down roads just like the SUV's do. City and town dwellers contribute to the health of the nation too, yet are expected to burn regular fuel.

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Mike (WA)

06-28-2005 08:18:27




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Often Wondered ...., 06-28-2005 04:15:54  
Looks like it's unanimous- no one gets to use untaxed diesel on highways (Washington state included). It's posted on the untaxed pump where I get my tractor fuel that in consideration for being exempt from the tax for off road use, the guvment reserves the right to sample tanks on highway vehicles any time, any place.



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Simplesam

06-28-2005 03:46:52




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
I have always understood that you had better have green fuel in your truck on the hiway.There may be exceptions if a vehicle has farm plates and is used only going to and from parts of the farm. Try convincing the tax cop of that though. Seems a better way to go would be to buy the green for hiway use and have you accountant figure the farm use and deduct it from your taxes.



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Dieselrider

06-28-2005 03:42:50




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
I think you read sopmething wrong. The only places I found on there about fuel says you don't pay the tax for off-road use but you do for highway use. Which PDF were you reading and what page?



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paul

06-27-2005 21:30:38




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
Maybe I can read it tomorrow, that large of a PDF file locks up my wife"s computer.....

Anyhow, you cannot use untaxed fuel in a road vehicle (pickup, etc.) in Minnesota, would be & is a huge fine. You can use dyed (untaxed) fuel in ag equipment, such as tractors & combines, as they travel down the road, but no way are you going to talk the officer into allowing your pickup to go free.....

--->Paul

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Sid

06-27-2005 21:15:45




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-27-2005 20:53:26  
If that be true they sure spend a lot of time at the stockyards sampling fuel tanks. That is a new one on me.



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Harley

06-28-2005 10:42:47




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Sid, 06-27-2005 21:15:45  
Comman sense tells me (no I don't have any personally) that the Feds. aren't going to let us on their roads without paying road tax. A while back, working for a construction company, we had Federal D.O.T. come right on the job sight and check our dump trucks and heavy hauler, and were nice about it but told us they didn't need anything to go anywhere to check anything. Harley



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

06-28-2005 14:49:56




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Harley, 06-28-2005 10:42:47  
Isn't a farm and bussiness able to get these taxes declared on their income taxes?



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edchainsaw

06-28-2005 19:19:29




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 Re: DOT rules and us farmers in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 06-28-2005 14:49:56  
not actually those taxes..



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