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caleb

06-27-2005 17:57:52




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Will a 4020D pull a 14foot disk in sand/clay dirt. I am starting the collection backwards, got the planter(494A), the disk is waiting on me to make up my mind. I want a 4020D and thats what I will buy next(after the disk) but I wont get this disk if it cant pull it. The farmer that owns it said if the tractors weighted down that I shouldnt have a problem. Just thought I would ask a few others before I invest in it. Also when I replace the disk gangs I could make it smaller couldnt I? It needs new disks, bearings, disk axles all around & paint. Thanks for your help. Caleb What would you give for one like that too?

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James2

06-28-2005 05:44:43




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to caleb, 06-27-2005 17:57:52  
As others have said the 4020 will run with it. But speaking from experience, consider carefully what needs to be done to that "cheap" disk. I pulled the same trick. Found a 14 ft BWA with dual tires in very good condition for $600 about 10 yrs ago. A friend at work said that was too much, and he would sell me the same disk for $75. What a mistake, I let the $600 disk go before looking at his! The tires were all bad, the frame was cracked in numerous places, the disk blades were shot. He had run the disk with a bearing out so long, that the race had eaten thru the journal. It's now an excellent $1600 disk!

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Rod F.

06-28-2005 09:10:22




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to James2, 06-28-2005 05:44:43  
You know, you might still be further ahead, having done what you did. You got a piece of junk, at junk price. You may just have easily bought a piece of junk, and paid a not so junk price. I bought an 11' Pittsburg disc a few years ago at an estate auction. The disc never did more than a few days work in the 30 or so years the guy had it. Blades not worn.... should be a good disc. Steel was still 30 years old. Hitch has been torn off more times than I care to count. More broken blades than I care to mention, and 2 broken gang bolts, along with numerous bearings. I fab'd a new flotation hitch this spring. Solved that problem. Pricing new blades out today. Somewhere in the $45 Cad range, EACH. I may be able to make a disc of it yet. Bottom line, I paid too much for an old disc. Hundred bucks was about what it was worth, for scrap.... This was one of the good "ready to work" discs. Doing it again, I would buy new, or buy scrap and rebuild it.

Rod

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3010 Ken

06-28-2005 04:09:34




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to caleb, 06-27-2005 17:57:52  
Morning Caleb;Couple of years ago I found a set of J.D. model "AW" disc a guy had stuck off in the weeds.He told me he would take $200.oo for them.Well, after the dust settled and the smoke cleared I had about $1500.00 in parts on this set which is about 9'wide.I bought most of the parts from Agri-supply.But some I had to buy through the JD. dealer.The first question the parts guy asked me when I told him I was totally re-building these was,"How much did you give for them"? I told him and he said a lot of people give to much and end up spending way more than they could have bought a working set for. Kenny

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Leland

06-27-2005 20:15:04




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to caleb, 06-27-2005 17:57:52  
It should run with it I have pulled a 14' with a 165 massey so a 4020 should haul a$$ with this disk but you may be able to buy a ready to use disk cheaper than you can fix up one.



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paul

06-27-2005 19:15:55




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to caleb, 06-27-2005 17:57:52  
Depends if it it's a finishing disk or a heavier offset or heavy disk. If it is likely a typical finishing light duty disk it whould work fine.

However, have you priced the parts you are talking about replacing????? Wow. Walk away from this one, unless you are getting a good one of the same model & getting this one for free for parts. It is not worth fixing up.

--->Paul



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thurlow

06-27-2005 19:01:24




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to caleb, 06-27-2005 17:57:52  
Well, it all depends on what shape the tractor's in; how heavy the soil is and whether the disk is a "pulverizing", a "cutting" or (most likely) something in between. When our 4020s were new, a 12 tandem disk was a good match IN OUR SOIL. The farmer should know; I assume the disk is pretty much a give-a-way, given the shape it's in? You're talking a heap of money for new blades, bearings and axles..... .would think a 12 or 14 foot disk wouldn't be hard to find, given that farmers don't use them and they're probably too big for most hobbyists..... ....

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Larry806

06-27-2005 18:51:23




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to caleb, 06-27-2005 17:57:52  
You shouldn't have any trouble at all pulling it



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504

06-27-2005 20:11:22




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to Larry806, 06-27-2005 18:51:23  
18in diam. blades 2001 catolog 10.49 each at 7 a gang that is $293.72 blades only. 20in. 16.99 each x28=475.72. And you may have 8 per gang. Kevin



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paul

06-27-2005 21:32:57




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 Re: required power, need some advice in reply to 504, 06-27-2005 20:11:22  
Wait until you get a new catalog..... . Be sitting down.

--->Paul



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caleb

06-28-2005 16:12:36




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 re: in reply to paul, 06-27-2005 21:32:57  
The guy that owns it is a hay farmer that I work for. It was used strictly in the hay fields. I work for this guy on weekends&nights at 9 dollars an hour raking/baling hay in a cab tractor. I am a full time Air cond. tech and college student the rest of the time. I work for him so that I can drive tractors. I offered to trade him labor for the disk. He said 200 bucks worth would be fair. There arent any cracks in the frame or anything and the tires are old and sun dried but it will be years before I have enough land and a tractor to use it. I am just gathering up implements as I find them, fixing them at a slow slow rate and eventually will have my entire equip. line to have a small hobby farm. The advice on the disk prices helps a lot. One thing that helps me is Im not married so theres no ball and chain and if you do things like this over time the loss doesnt feel as hard, not that its less by any means. If anyone in central/south TX has a 4-6 row 3pt cultivator theyd like to get rid of let me know. Condition restorable price cheap Thanks guys. You make this forum what it is. Great. Caleb

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