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06-25-2005 16:26:40




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You mentioned that the city of Detroit used eminent domain to take some properties from individuals. That is true. I think some of the cases were settled just a couple of years ago (dating from 1981 - 85!) But the Poletown plant is still operating, producing Cadillacs. I think there was a period that they went to 1 shift, but they have been on 2 shifts for many years now. My plant supplies engines to Poletown. Easy.

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Mark - IN.

06-26-2005 00:20:06




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 Easy, you might've meant me in reply to Easy, 06-25-2005 16:26:40  
He Easy, I mentioned the GM plant in Detroit, and the Eminent Domain issue with the Polish imigrant neighborhood in an earlier post today. Might be a Hal in Indiana that did too, and if I'm butting in, I apologize. And if I'm wrong about the plant shutting down too, and it appears that I am, I apologize for that too.

I guess my overall point though was the Eminent Domain issue, and the two working farms that I mentioned in Illinois that were condemned for developers did happen.

Here's a great example, which may not mean much to you, may be unaware. Illinois has one of, if not the busiest aitports in the world, O'Hare on it's northwest side. Also has a very busy airport on it's southside, Midway. Used to have another very small airport in the middle of them on the lakeshore until Chicago's mayor bulldozed it tin the middle of the night a couple of years ago, turning it into a park, because his wife didn't like the view of the airport from their new home -leaving airplanes stranded on the runway. The mayor claimed he did it to protect Sears Tower from terrorist Cessnas after 911, but his wife wanted a park and got it. Here's the big deal in it all. The City of Chicago, and the State of Illinois want a third revenue generating major airport, even though flights are and have been down since 911, and airline after airline is folding through bankrupcy. That isn't stopping the State of Illinois from buying up prime farmland in southern Will County, some 60 or so miles south of Chicago (Cook County), and if the folks down there don't sell, eventually, they're going to lose it through Eminent Domain. When confronted with low passenger statistics, then they claim "will be used by cargo companies such as UPS, FedEx, etc.", although their arguement in the first place was the need of the passengers. So far, the only thing standing in between them and the airport has been the FAA, whom says "nope, don't need it". Closer to the City of Chicago, is Gary, Indiana, which already has an airport, surrounded by shut down steel mills. The land is worthless, those old mills can be bulldozed, everything black topped, and a third unnecessary airport built there, much closer and more convinient for the City of Chicago. I got into a debate a few months ago with a Illinois Senator on a radio station about just that, "Why take prime farmland when can make good use of worthless land where an airport already exists?". His reply was that the Gary airport, which already exists, would be too close to the existing flight lines of Midway and O'Hare, even though it already exists??? Well, I looked at them on the map, and Midway is closer to O'Hare, than Gary is to either of them, and they never had a problem with Migs Field (on the lakeshore before it became a park in the middle of the night) being in between the both of them. The Senator's position didn't hold water. The truth of the matter is that the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois just want more pork revenue than they already have, and whether or not they ever get that airport, they're still going after the land. Is incredible, and is nothing going to stop them.

My truck was running real crappy one day on the interstate near gary, so I got off so as not to become a road hazard, and took the local route, US 20 through downtown Gary, and I've gotta tell you there's some scary areas there, in broad daylight. I have never been through any town that had 4x8 sheets of plywood nailed to the sides of residents homes that said "Please bring us jobs so we can feed our families, .... The Mayor of Gary Indiana". I have never seen anything like that in my life, but they're there. The steel mills are gone. So, the State of Illinois still goes after prime farmland so the City of Chicago can have more fat than they already have, even though there's already a closer, existing airport, just over the state border, where the land is cheap, and a home goes for $12,000, because those folks are starving. Is dispicable.

Eminent Domain at work.

Mark

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06-26-2005 22:48:27




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 Re: Easy, you might've meant me in reply to Mark - IN., 06-26-2005 00:20:06  
No need to apologize. Rumors are everywhere, and bad news gets magnified, I think. On Eminent Domain, the Michigan Supreme Court just ruled against another land grab, and said that the previous decision was in error. The GM plant straddles the border between Detroit and Hamtramk. Hamtown is the local name for it. Hamtown is unique in that it is basically surrounded by Detroit. It is almost as old as Detroit, and over the years Detroit expanded to engulf it. The worst thing about the clearences were the old people who were pushed out. Another was a number of busineeses were destroyed. And in our country right now, we could use all the viable busineses we can find. All this was done for 2 reasons: 1) The mayor, Coleman Young, wanted to get a new plant in the city, as the older ones were closing down, and new ones were going elsewhere. 2) Detroit, with state help, gave GM a deal: The city aquired the land, and built the plant, and assumed all liability. I remember seeing a notice in the local paper a couple of years back about litigation still going on! The city lost millions in lawsuits over valuations. Much of the site had been industrial for 100 years, and according to the epa rules at the time, a lot of dirt had to excavated and BURNED! ( surprisingly expensive, burning dirt. )
One site had to be excavated 50 ft down. I think now the epa has new rules for industrial sites - if it is going to stay industrial, the cleanup is less. All in all, almost a lesson on how not to redevelop a city. BTW, I have to go through Detroit sometimes, we go to Mexican town sometimes, and we don't have anything like Gary! There are some areas that aren't too good, but random crime is very rare. It is usually a case of the idiots vs. truly stupid. Thanks for thr reply, and keep safe! Easy.

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Mark - IN.

06-27-2005 16:37:42




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 Re: Easy, you might've meant me in reply to Easy, 06-26-2005 22:48:27  
Is nice to hear that Michigan is taking a stance against, or at least hearing Eminent Domain cases. I live in Indiana, only make it home on weekends, but still work in Illinois and rent a small place in Joliet to sleep. Funny thing about Illinois after the Supreme Court ruling. They bragged about how it's illegal to grab land like that, take from one, give to a business in Illinois. Prior to coming to Illinois in the mid-eighties, I'd heard of Eminent Domain, but never heard of the term "Condemning Property", before that. In Illinois, around Cook County (Chicago) and it's collar counties, such a practice is almost a daily event. Who are they trying to fool?

And as far as Detroit goes, never been there except to pass through the airport on a hop to O'Hare from Philidelphia. Nice airport, lots of friendly people, and pretty women. I live on the Michigan border in Bristol, and my mechanic's the Deere guy in Union, a mile or so from the homestead.

Thanks, and good to hear from you. Be safe out there, and enjoy life.

Mark

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06-26-2005 19:12:20




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 Re: Easy, you might've meant me in reply to Mark - IN., 06-26-2005 00:20:06  
You have some serious gonads if you went through Gary. I live near South Bend, IN and have been by Gary many times but would rather be on the main highway during peak hours on my trucks roof with the trailer on top of me before going anywhere near Gary. It really is sad and sick the state of that city. South Bend has some run down parts that make this farmboy a bit nervous but Gary is just down right frightening. I remember getting lost in Chicago after a Cubs game once when a police officer pulled us over and told us to follow him and not stop at the lights even if they were red. Got back on track and he told us we were too light skinned to be headed towards Cabrinie Green.

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Mark - IN.

06-27-2005 16:53:48




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 Re: Easy, you might've meant me in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-26-2005 19:12:20  
By the way, I was born on Sheridan St, a few blocks south of Western Ave. Like a 1/2 block north of Ford St. Went down there a year or so ago to see what the old place looked like now. Is a pretty scary place too. Was an old nieghbor or two there still. I left when was 4 years old. Seems as though 1/2 of everyone that lived within a block or two when I was born there has died of cancer, or has cancer. No joke. The folks asked how the family was (anyone dying of cancer?), then went down the list of who stayed and has.

Mark

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Mark - IN.

06-27-2005 16:20:01




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 Re: Easy, you might've meant me in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-26-2005 19:12:20  
Cabrini O'Green is gone. Had done phone repairs there in the past. Two guys in between 1AM and 5AM. In theory, most drunks were passing out after 1AM, the hell raisers getting up around 5AM. One guy to fix the phone, the other to swing a big pipe. Back in the late 80's, began putting up $500K town homes across the street. Now, that took some gonads. At first, people in them getting beat, raped, shot...no wonder. Now Cabrini O'Green's gone, the trouble makers chased out into the suburbs by Chicago's Mayor cleaning up his city.

Mark

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