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green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky?

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buickanddeere

06-25-2005 13:35:07




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What are the crops when planted mid summer and ploughed down, work as green manure.Crops that really do add fertility and organic matter to the soil instead of just mining nutrients out? I had thought of chancing soybeans in early to mid July when the wheat comes off. Hasn't been a significant frost before mid September around here for several years. Might even get real lucky and get a crop off? If the beans are a bust, just plough them under for a nitrogen gain?

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Leland

06-26-2005 14:45:10




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 Re: green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky? in reply to buickanddeere, 06-25-2005 13:35:07  
B&D I always planted some type of cheap clover like the white stuff that grow in most lawns mow it several times and spring plow it under works good.



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riverbend

06-25-2005 20:06:16




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 Re: green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky? in reply to buickanddeere, 06-25-2005 13:35:07  
I am planning to plant soybeans for a green manure crop tomorrow (south-central MN). The beans work pretty well for fertility. I have grown vegetables on plowed down soybeans for several years. The sandy spots were a little weak.

If you do decide to go for a plow down, disk them a little after pod set. They have fixed most of their nitrogen by that point, and you will not have trouble with volunteer beans next year.

After disking, I go in with oats and peas for a cover crop. They both germinate well in cooler soils, they winter kill at about 20 degrees, and are easy to work up in the spring.

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RN

06-25-2005 18:51:13




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 Re: green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky? in reply to buickanddeere, 06-25-2005 13:35:07  
Have you considered Austrian field peas and turnips for green manure? Extra organic material plowed under, can be grazed or cut for cattle feed if you have stock. Usefull ground cover, fairly quick growth. Canning peas have a market here in central Wisconsin, leftovers used as feed and soil amendment, erosion control on slopes. RN



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buickanddeere

06-26-2005 05:42:24




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 Re: green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky? in reply to RN, 06-25-2005 18:51:13  
Turnips? Never thought of those. Rutabagas would likely do the same. Maybe even carrots? I had thought of field peas as well. The frost would finish them in mid to late September before the pods fully dried . The seed would be cheaper than beans too. I'm four miles inland of Lake Huron and down wind so the temps are moderated with lake heat. The soil is heavy with an impenetrable blue clay layer about 18" below the surface. The soil has been pretty well depleted of organic matter after being cash cropped corn & beans for 30 years. No livestock manure spread on it either. If it pours rain the soil only dries via evaporation from the surface. I have a market for horse hay so a clover/alfalfa/brome grass is in consideration. The retired neighbour has 120 acres of workable land. He does about 5 acres of grain crop, grazes 17 cattle and has a few round bales done for winter feed. It hurts to watch that 90+ acres of hay grow old, dry and brown every summer.

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Can't even use my name

06-25-2005 15:48:11




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 Re: green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky? in reply to buickanddeere, 06-25-2005 13:35:07  
I just planted 60 acres of beans today after cutting off the barley. We do this every year and the least they have yielded has been 18 bpa. That is enough to pay the cost of doing it and then some. Last two years they made 25 bpa and if we didn't get that one early frost last year they would have made at least 35 bpa, there were a lot of small frost damaged beans. We are located in extreme northern IN. You couldn't plant after wheat here unless you were really lucky since it matures too late.

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Delbert from Lincoln

06-25-2005 16:48:00




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 Re: green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky? in reply to Can't even use my name, 06-25-2005 15:48:11  
You"ll harvest beans. several guys that I know double crop beans and wheat. The one guy uses a John Deere no till drill. I don"t know the numbers on it. Actually uses the same drill on wheat and soy beans, but plugs ever other row for soy beans. Went for a ride this afternoon, and only seen one field of wheat where we went. It was still showing a few green ones around the edges that i could see from the road. So it will be a few days yet.

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Can't even use my name

06-26-2005 19:16:32




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 Re: green manure crop or 2nd crop beans if lucky? in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 06-25-2005 16:48:00  
To my understanding in central IN and further south the growing season is long enough to double crop soybeans after wheat but here in northern IN you might have a 1 in 50 chance of getting a crop after wheat.



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