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tractor is eatin up batteries HELP

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Possm'

06-14-2005 12:32:17




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I got an ole tractor she still has alot of good years left. BUT..one problem. For the last 9 months I have had to put in a new battery every three to four weeks. Even replaced the starter twice. Within a two month period. Somethin somewhere is drainin the juice out of her. Have replace all the wires. Any suggestions??




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Sloroll

06-14-2005 20:11:42




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Possm', 06-14-2005 12:32:17  
Are you using the correct size bat? A 12V in a 6 volt system? Possibly a 6V in a 12? Could you be overcharging and boiling your bat dry and ruining them? Does it smell like rotten eggs after running awhile?



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Possm

06-15-2005 05:52:51




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Sloroll, 06-14-2005 20:11:42  
No thats all straight. And nope no smell of rotten eggs. Gosh if I smelled that I think she was possesed. ;)



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Patrick Ouellet

06-14-2005 17:45:35




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Possm', 06-14-2005 12:32:17  
Sounds like you are getting bits and pieces of good advice. Lets regroup and take a look at what is happening here. Before your starter and battery eating began was anything done to the electrical system? If something was done backtrack and check to see if this may be causing your problem, remember new parts can be bad and/or simple human error is a possibility. You mentioned the starter had been replaced, could this have been caused by low voltage/amperage? Recommend you have the charging system checked by someone with equipment that is designed to put a load on the system, not just check amperage draw and voltage output with the tractor running under a small electrical load. Most parts stores and automotive electrical repair shops will do this service for a minimal fee at the most, of course the tractor needs to be at the place with the equipment. Is the charging system belt in good condition and is the tension set properly? Have you disconnected the NEGATIVE cable while the tractor is running to determine if the tractor will still run? This will let you know if the charging system is sending the minimum required voltage to run the tractor (not necessarily for charging). Never disconnect the positive cable as mentioned in a previous email, too dangerous when reconnecting. A system that is drawing power from the battery after it has been shut down, as stated in your email, will under normal circumstances accept a charge from a battery charger and resume normal operation (provided it has been charged correctly). If that is the case, finding the culprit is a simple step by step process. Checking battery load and alternator output should only be determined at the specified engine speed for alternator/generator output which may be found in service manuals and the wonderful I&T manuals. Cable connections for batteries are notorious culprits for charging issues and excessive draw on starters. They may look good but the size and condition of the fastening lugs may create problems also. To summarize this and give you my final two cents worth: you seem to have a charging system problem, may be several things. Do you constantly run at idle, not allowing the system to charge the battery? Normally this is above 1200-1500 rpm. Battery cables and thier connectors, are they of the proper gauge size and are the connectors in good condition, including the points of attachment? Charging belt, is it the right belt, installed correctly with proper tension? Are you installing the correct voltage and amperage size battery for your application? And way off in left field, has someone ever installed incorrect sized pulleys for the alternator/generator? Good luck.

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Possm'

06-15-2005 06:03:16




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 WOW ya folks are GREAT! in reply to Patrick Ouellet, 06-14-2005 17:45:35  
Wow ya folks are great. Got such good responds and information. Thanks to each and everyone ....going to try everything mentioned. Will let ya all know whuts whut. (Hope ya dont mind my slang) (but bred,born and raised in TX) I also have posted a better picture of Ole Blue as ya see got alot of work to do on her. Thanks once again. Any info on her age or whut she is will be super. Found all sorts of numbers on her but no seri. number at least dont think so. Was told she is a NAA whut is that?

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Larry G. Allen

06-14-2005 19:40:09




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Patrick Ouellet, 06-14-2005 17:45:35  
I have an almost new tractor put in battery every 6 months I found out if I leave my headlights on anytime tractor is running. Battery will last about 3 years. Also until you find your problem get you a disconnect switch you will always have a hot battery



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Possm

06-15-2005 05:49:47




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Larry G. Allen, 06-14-2005 19:40:09  
Welp seein this ole gal aint got no lights....but I do that on the new mower alot. Found out somebody somewhere sometime or another has tried to rig this ole gal instead of replace the parts or fix her right. So guess will just keep unconnectin the battery each time. Oh it does have a rig switch this may be the problem not for sure. Maybe I should strip her down and start from base 1. Can't find a serial number yet.

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JWhite

06-14-2005 13:55:42




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Possm', 06-14-2005 12:32:17  
Depending on what you find with your volt meter, you might also consider installing a battery switch that breakes the power circuit at the battery itself (a DC version of the main breaker switch on your house).



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Van in AR

06-14-2005 13:02:25




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Possm', 06-14-2005 12:32:17  
Do it the easy way. just hook up a test light or meter to the ground cable and the battery. If there is a draw the light will illuminate or the meter will show it. Then disconnect one item at a time until the light goes out, when it does you found the draw.
Van



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Possm'

06-14-2005 13:29:21




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Van in AR, 06-14-2005 13:02:25  
Done done that. Replaced each wire from battery to starter and all others. One by one welp hubby did. But she does great. Then a day or so later she will be deader than a doornail. Walmart think we are up to weird stuff. The batteries and starter has warrints on them so they have to replace them...they see us drive up they get a battery out. Will send this email to hook up whut ya said to the ole man. Thanks

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Allan in NE

06-14-2005 13:32:35




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Possm', 06-14-2005 13:29:21  
Does the charging system work?

Sounds like you are just operating on battery voltage and then, when that's gone, you are going and getting a new battery?

Allan



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Possm

06-15-2005 05:59:09




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Allan in NE, 06-14-2005 13:32:35  
Found out NOPE the charger system does not work.



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Possm

06-14-2005 13:35:34




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Allan in NE, 06-14-2005 13:32:35  
Have to ask The Col (hubby) about that. Ya lost me there on the chargin system?
Like I mentioned before she willrun maybe a week or so really good starts right up and then one day dead...new battery. Last week it was the starter.



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Illinois Boy

06-14-2005 12:51:47




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Possm', 06-14-2005 12:32:17  
Possm'
You definitely have a short to ground somewhere. I'd get a multimeter and start with the ignition switch - When it's in the off position, no voltage should be present on any output terminal. Also, you might want to disc the positive side of the battery after each time you use it until you find the problem.



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Possm

06-14-2005 13:32:25




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 Re: tractor is eatin up batteries HELP in reply to Illinois Boy, 06-14-2005 12:51:47  
Have done that too. Thanks for suggestion. Think that ole gal (tractor) heard us discussin about gettin a new tractor. OH found out she is a late 40 or 50's naa whut ever that is. Ford. Don't know whut year she is.



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