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Brian J

06-04-2005 20:49:39




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I have john deere 1830 diesel tractor i was wondering how a chrome stack would look and sound or should i just leave the muffler on the tractor what do you all think




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buickanddeere

06-05-2005 06:54:14




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to Brian J, 06-04-2005 20:49:39  
Pipe dia, either too small or too large will reduce peak torque and HP. Of course that diesel will not be as sensitive as a tuned two stroke gasser.



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txgrn

06-05-2005 07:29:19




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to buickanddeere, 06-05-2005 06:54:14  
B&D,

Don't understand how too large on a diesel will impede torque.

Case in point...OTR 18 wheelers. 2 Straight pipes; exhaust system of choice; minimum restrictions. I can remember yaking on the radio, during my truckin days, and guys would talk about (illegally) taking their mufflers off and going to straight pipes to improve their ability to climb certain grades. Talked about the improved pulling capability....

Also, as the case with my 2430. Why did the engine mfgr put a 3+" dia outlet on his exhaust manifold if he didn't want it to breathe.

Thinking..... ..... ..... ..I'll answer that. Because he uses this engine on the 2440 where it has a turbo sitting on top of it and the turbo definitely wants reduced back pressure and high volume.

Ok, so now we are back to non turbo performance vs turbo and free flowing exhaust vs restrictive.

Not the expert, just kicking thoughts around and looking for the right answer....course I already have the right answer. My 4010 has a straight pipe and runs like a scalded ape....like to hear it growl...thru my earplugs of course. Ha!

Later

Mark

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buickanddeere

06-05-2005 11:55:48




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to txgrn, 06-05-2005 07:29:19  
Natural aspirated engines run best with about 300fps exhaust velocity if memory serves. Smaller begins to create significant back pressure. Too large and those exhaust gases don't have enough velocity to induce low pressure scavenging after the exhaust valve close. The gases flowing down the pipe leave a low pressure area behind. This lowers the delta P a little between the manifold and combustion chamber assisting more exhaust out and more fresh air in. . The length of the pipe and any turns are important as well. The differences will be much less pronounced on a 404 diesel vs. a tuned two stroke snowmobile engine.

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txgrn

06-05-2005 05:41:58




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to Brian J, 06-04-2005 20:49:39  
Funny you mentioned that. I recently bought a 4230 with a 404 cu in engine. It had a 1 7/8 ID outlet on the muffler along with a 31" pipe.

Thought it was restrictive as you could put your hand in the exhaust outlet at pto rpms and it was a solid stream of gas. Took the muffler off and the inlet was over 3" and I thought..... who's foolin whom.

The manufacturer of the engine (one Deere engineer) decides that proper breathing for the engine is 3+ inch exhaust, and another Deere engineer decides that he is going to make the tractor quiet so he strangles the engine to quieten it down.....but it didn't do much good; still was loud.

Since the engine is running hotter than I want it to, under pretty good load with the A/C on, and all the other things have been tended to, the only thing left was restrictive exhaust to contribute to engine heat.

Tried to get a muffler for a 4240 as it had a larger outlet but the muffler mfgr suggested a straight pipe instead.

So yesterday UPS stops by and drops off a beautiful straight chrome stack that is the same diameter all the way as the hole in the exhaust manifold (over 3") and 50 something inches long with a flange on the engine end. Put it on and it looks great sitting in front of the cab.

Cranked her up and it was loud, but not that loud and the soundguard cab blocks a lot of it, plus I wear ear plugs anyway. The engine it'self makes as much noise as the exhaust; especially the fan. The sound is good and solid and the pipe is less vision restrictive than the muffler.
So now at PTO rpm's I put my hand in the exhaust and I feel pulses..... YEAH! We're breathing now.

Can't wait till I can get a load on her and see if it does the job. I'm saving the old stuff in case I have to go back for some reason.

My 2c

Mark

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old

06-04-2005 21:11:10




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to Brian J, 06-04-2005 20:49:39  
They look good and even give you a little more power, but they are also hard on the ears.



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Aussietractor

06-05-2005 02:18:38




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to old, 06-04-2005 21:11:10  
G'day old, please excuse my ignorance but how can a chromed stack improve power output given that all other things are equal?



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Don L C

06-05-2005 15:26:46




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to Aussietractor, 06-05-2005 02:18:38  
The chrome stack ,most times do not have any restriction, just straight through.....less back pressure equals a little more power,on a Farmall "M" could mean plowing in 3rd gear not 2nd.....



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old

06-05-2005 07:48:49




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to Aussietractor, 06-05-2005 02:18:38  
The crome unless of course its also crome on the inside does nothing to help with power. The fact that if he put a crome pipe on it would be removeing the muffler is what makes for more power. The stright pipe of the crome stack lessens the back preassure on the exhaust and that is what give it more power. It also in most cases give you a little more gallion per hour rate. I.E. if you use 1 gallion per hour with a muffler on and go the the stright pipe you might get 1 hour and 5 minutes to the gallion, but the of course will vary on what your putting that pipe on

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txgrn

06-05-2005 05:55:52




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to Aussietractor, 06-05-2005 02:18:38  
Did anyone ever stick a potato up your exhaust pipe on your p/u? If they did you noticed that if you could get your truck running at all, it promptly died and wouldn't run.

Did you ever have your single exhaust pipe on your p/u removed and a pair of duals with glass packs installed....if so you have your answer.

Why? Cause you had goesinna, but no place for the goesoutta. What goes up must come down, and what goes in must come out..... if your gonna keep it running. The easier it breathes, the better it runs and that translates to cooler, more efficient running, which results in more power and efficiency.

Mark

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BUDD

06-05-2005 02:58:45




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to Aussietractor, 06-05-2005 02:18:38  
Chrome will not increase power at all, less back pressure of a staight pipe will a little bit in most cases.

BUDD



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Aussietractor

06-05-2005 14:23:00




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 Re: Chrome Stack in reply to BUDD, 06-05-2005 02:58:45  
Thanks Budd



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