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chip hannay

05-28-2005 05:04:13




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Mowing next to the Guadalupe river yesterday, I hooked my brush-hog on something and my Mahindra lurched and rolled off the high bank into the river. I jumped free, and am very grateful for that.

We pulled the tractor out. Front axle and wheels broken off, but the damage I'm worried about is water in the engine through both the submerged air cleaner and muffler.

Anybody had any experience with this? Suggestions?
Thanks in advance.

One Lucky Guy

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txgrn

05-28-2005 16:31:02




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to chip hannay, 05-28-2005 05:04:13  
Since several respondents are concerned about a bent rod, and we don't know it it is gas or diesel, which would make a big difference, why don't you pull out your spark plugs or injectors and measure the piston to head height, one at a time at top dead center for that piston. Should be the same dimension for all cylinders within a few thousands which could be in measurement error. Use a dial caloper and stick the little end down the cylinder to touch the top of the piston and let the base rest on the landing where the plug or injector rest when mounted. May save you a lot of unnecessary work, or if one is bent, potentially severe engine damage.

Mark

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psst...mark

05-29-2005 07:05:33




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to txgrn, 05-28-2005 16:31:02  
....I've never seen a gas powered mahindra, did they make any?



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Hurst

05-28-2005 10:59:34




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to chip hannay, 05-28-2005 05:04:13  
If it were my tractor I would at least drop the pan on the tractor and drain all the fluids. Like the others said, a bent rod is probable if it was running when it went under. If you run it with a bent rod, you risk messing up the engine even more. If it is a bent rod you can just take the head and pan off and replace the rods if nothing else is broke under there.

Hurst



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RickB

05-28-2005 10:52:50




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 Bent rods in reply to chip hannay, 05-28-2005 05:04:13  
If it was running when it submerged, it is a sure bet that one or more connecting rods are bent. Could also have a blown head gasket, but that is the least of your troubles.



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Mike M

05-28-2005 06:31:37




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to chip hannay, 05-28-2005 05:04:13  
Glad to hear your ok. But if that engine was running when it hit the water it probabaly swallowed some and is more than likely very damaged. Yours is one case where wearing a seat belt would of killed you.



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txgrn

05-28-2005 05:29:17




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to chip hannay, 05-28-2005 05:04:13  
My experience with submerged engines is to get the water out as fast as possible. Other consideration is flushing sand or silt.


Method we used was to drain all ports exposed to water including gear train if applicable.

On the engine, you remove the carb if it has one, drain oil, remove spark plugs,distributor (mark dist for timing position), rocker cover. If vertical muffler, probably should remove exhaust manifold and reinstall with fresh gasket prior to starting engine.

Fill crankcase and spark plug holes with diesel.

Slowly rotate the engine to force the diesel out the plug holes.

Wash valve train lavishly with diesel.

Rotate engine for 5 minutes slowly and drain crankcase. Refill to normal level with motor oil and a new filter.

Clean valve train (see next para) and lavishly oil.

Clean and dry carb and dist and reinstall. Berryman's brake cleaner spray is a superb product for this. It removes water and oil but leaves no film and doesn't attack paint like Berryman's Chem tool does.

Install ign wiring with new plugs and set timing to mark made at removal.

Remove and flush the fuel tank if there are any signs of water in it. If not open fuel line and let some fuel drain out before reconnecting to carb.

Install new fuel filter if applicable.

Might need a squirt of starting fluid to get it running.

Once running check gauges and check rocker assy for proper operation and oiling. If ok, shut off and reinstall Rocker cover.

On diesel do the same (injector removal rather than plugs) and install new fuel filters.

Inspect tank for water and let run prior to reconnection to filters. Bleed fuel system prior to attempting to start.

On gear train, I'd just go ahead and dump all fluids and refill with fresh.

Grease all zerks.
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The sooner you can do all this, the less the chance of ANY damage.

We used to retrieve outboard motors from salt water and you had to be fast on them as that salt attacks that aluminum fast.

The Guadalupe River is one of the most beautiful rivers I ever saw. Played in it lots of times growing up.
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Speed is the essence. Flushing out any sand is second. No reason for you to have any damage if you get after it.

Wouldn't hurt to change the oil and filter again after a couple of hours of operation.

May have missed something, but you get the idea.

Good luck.

Mark

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MarkB_MI

05-28-2005 05:24:02




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to chip hannay, 05-28-2005 05:04:13  
Now that's you've got it out of the water, you need to get it dried out ASAP. Otherwise it's better off back in the river, where at least there's no oxygen.

Drain all the lubricants out and refill.

I'm not familiar with the Mahindra, but if the injectors are easily removed, do so.

Take apart the air cleaner and intake ducts and get all the water you can out of them.

Dry out the electrical components. You'll probably need to remove the starter to clean it out. If there's mud in the starter or alternator, just flush them out with fresh water, then let them dry.

If you've got a vertical exhaust, you'll probably want to take off the exhaust manifold.

Roll the engine over by hand to work the water out of the engine. It should come out the injector holes or exhaust ports. You can also use compressed air to dry out the combustion chambers, valve ports, etc.

If you're lucky, the engine didn't ingest enough water to cause any serious damage. If you find a lot of water in the cylinders it's a bad sign. You won't know for sure until you get it started whether there's major damage.

Once you get it running, try to get it up to operating temperature and cycle the transmission and hydraulics. Shut it down and change the oil and fluids again.

Good luck.

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Gary Duff

05-28-2005 05:09:24




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to chip hannay, 05-28-2005 05:04:13  
I would drain all the fluids and filters and put new in as soon as possible like yesterday and get the tractor started,let run a little and do all over again,the water shoulded hurt anything as long as you get it out right away any dried out and running.



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mike brown

05-28-2005 06:32:13




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to Gary Duff, 05-28-2005 05:09:24  
I'd be afraid you hydrolocked a cylinder or two when it sucked in water. You could have bent a connecting rod. If not, you have to get the injectors out of the head, drain & replace the fluids and get it running and work it hard and long to get it all up to temp and dry out all the moisture. Clean fluids and hard work ASAP for dunked engines.



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joe e-tx

05-28-2005 06:28:18




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to Gary Duff, 05-28-2005 05:09:24  
sorry to hear about your tractor,would love to come and help fix it and tube to guadalupe.
joe east tx



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Luke S

05-28-2005 11:10:40




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 Re: Tractor in river in reply to joe e-tx, 05-28-2005 06:28:18  
I'd turn it in to insurance and tell them to total it and you want a new one. I wouldn't want to own anything that had been under water.



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