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Allan in NE

05-27-2005 05:07:23




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Mornin' All,

A couple of old fuel barrels at a set of buildings that haven't been occupied in many years. Perhaps the farmer that is currently farming the place used 'em, I just don't know.

The diesel barrel still has a wee tad of fuel in it; the gas barrel is pretty much empty.

I'm wondering if a fella could just screw on new filter assemblies, hoses, spigots and fill 'em up. They appear to be capped off and in fairly good shape, considering their age.

Whadda think?

Allan

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willie j

05-28-2005 05:52:35




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
Allen
First of all, CYA! You say you don't know whether the barrels are in use or not. Get written permission from the owner before you do anything, and carry a copy with you whenever you go checking around. You might have some explaining to do in front of a judge if the barrels are in use, the owner gives a description of your vehicle to the sheriff, claiming (true or not)that fuel has been missing or contaminated. Get the legal stuff taken care of first, then follow the suggestions the other guys have given.
Willie J

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Allan in NE

05-28-2005 07:27:29




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to willie j, 05-28-2005 05:52:35  
I'm buyin' 'em Willie.

Along with the half section of land that they are settin' on. I've already talked to the tenant farmer; all he wants is his machinery, of course.

The fuel barrels are listed on the purchase agreement, which has been signed by all concerned.

Allan



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Kent in NB

05-28-2005 05:35:08




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
Disaster waiting to happen. Sell or dispose. Buy new double wall, vacuum sealed tanks. It will be 20 times cheaper in the long run. Went through this scenario after we bought the old farm. Tank rusted out from the inside, lost about 250 gallons of diesel, well contaminated, and loads of headaches with government. Happened 6 years ago, and we are still dealing with it. Spills take a long time to clean up!

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Leland

05-27-2005 18:37:36




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
To check for leaks drain tanks put in plugs execpt for one hole then drop a couple of smoke bombs in them then add about 20psi of air this is an easy way to check them.



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RJ-AZ

05-27-2005 17:44:18




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
Shop around for the best bulk fuel delivery supplier and see if they have any regulations or stipulations about what they can put fuel into. My brother had to dig up a buried tank and go with above ground tanks on the home place in Montana. He gets his fuel from CENEX right now.



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RayP(MI)

05-27-2005 16:17:59




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
Would hate to see you fill them up only to find a leak somewhere. I'm facing the same situation, am considering filling 'em with water to see if they're seaworthy. If they don't leak, then drain'em and get them as dry as possible before use. Good idea to replace hoses & valves before you discover leaks here too.



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RayP(MI)

05-27-2005 16:17:58




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
Would hate to see you fill them up only to find a leak somewhere. I'm facing the same situation, am considering filling 'em with water to see if they're seaworthy. If they don't leak, then drain'em and get them as dry as possible before use. Good idea to replace hoses & valves before you discover leaks here too.



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Jay (ND)

05-27-2005 08:54:45




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
Allan, Don't worry about the rust in the gas tank. There is rust in every gas tank with the exception of the ethanol tanks. Go look at a brand new tank, they are rusty inside. Drain the diesel that's in there.

Install new filters and hoses (stick with 1", at least on the diesel) and you have that covered. On the left tank, also put an elbow on so the hose hangs naturally, it will last longer. Make sure both tanks have valves on them in case you break a hose you don't lose a whole tank full. I would put on new valves, these are likely to drip. Make sure they are made for petroleum. I like the 1/4 turn ball valves myself, but they are about $20 for an inch one.

You don't need to worry about those tanks moving - they won't, even though they aren't bolted down. As far as structure, about the only thing you need to worry about is the wood planks that the stands sit on. If they are rotted or non-existant, the stand could settle one way or the other and topple.

I would slope the tanks slightly to the rear so any junk settles to the back and doesn't plug your filters. I would also buy the spin on filters and not the cartridge style with the plastic bowl.

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john in la

05-27-2005 16:17:11




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Jay (ND), 05-27-2005 08:54:45  
Real good advise here. About the only thing I can add is they are on dirt/grass.

If it were me I would pour a slab to set them on and build a cinder block wall around them. Does not need to be high with those small tanks. 1 or 2 blocks high. Just enough to contain any spills should the tank start leaking one night.

If a fuel tank leaks on to the ground you loose a lot more than the fuel. You loose the farm if the EPA finds out because they will want to dig any and all contaminated dirt out and dispose or incinerate it. And guess who pays the bill?????

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Jay (ND)

05-28-2005 09:05:35




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to john in la, 05-27-2005 16:17:11  
Only a fool would tell the EPA that his tank leaked. You don't turn it into insurance. You take the lickin' in your pocketbook for the lost fuel and smile about it.



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Allan in NE

05-27-2005 09:41:54




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Jay (ND), 05-27-2005 08:54:45  
Hi Jay,

Watched my dad one time take one of those old 300 gallon cast iron boiler tanks of around the 1930s era, hook a hose and nozzle to it and used it for thirty years as a diesel tank.

Then, I took the thing down off it's stand and put it on a wagon running gear and then used it to nurse Eptam sprayer for the beans for another half a life time.

Never did worry 'bout the rust; if it plugged up something, just cleaned out the flakes and continued on. :>)

Allan

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Steve_ne

05-27-2005 08:53:44




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
It's that up front money to fill it that make me not fill mine. Let us know how it goes. You go first.



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Sand Flat Bob

05-27-2005 08:49:13




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
I would guess, just looking at the pictures, that they don't meet the current requirements for fuel tank pollution standards. You might want to check that out with your supplier and see what he thinks, before filling them up with fuel. I sure don't see any containment basin around the area of the fuel tanks. You sure don't want the Federal Govt. on your case. Had a lot of experience with fuel tanks, both above ground and underground after lots of the laws were passed.

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Jay (ND)

05-27-2005 08:55:58




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Sand Flat Bob, 05-27-2005 08:49:13  
They are fine - they don't meet the size requirements.



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mike brown

05-27-2005 07:33:50




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
Better build a stairway and platform for the fuel delivery man.
I thought about mounting fuel tanks high. Usually when my arm was getting tired from pumping. Let the fuel truck pump it up and gravity pump it down. I thought it should have a counter weighted rope to help him haul the fuel hose up the stairs. Figured it might make him grumpy having to lug it up there.



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Allan in NE

05-27-2005 07:38:03




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to mike brown, 05-27-2005 07:33:50  
Mike,

The bulk trucks are equipped with the 'climb-steps' and walkways. 'Sides, these guys are used to these things; they are everywhere.

Now, makin' sure that they put the right fuel in the right tank is another matter. :>)

Allan



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NEsota

05-27-2005 06:57:10




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
In the fifties we used twenty year old gas from an underground tank, this caused sticky valves in the E-3 Coop. I think these tanks and what is in them should be treated the same way you would treat them if they were fuel tanks on a tractor, like drain them, clean them and find something to do with the fuel other than put it through a combustion engine.



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James2

05-27-2005 08:47:18




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to NEsota, 05-27-2005 06:57:10  
Drain and flush to see what is inside. I bought a fuel trailer at a farm sale that was being used, drained and flushed before filling. Sure glad I did, the fuel came out black, and was flushed until it was the correct color. The black stuff did not appear to be algae, just plain dirt and other crap!



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Rauville

05-27-2005 06:56:36




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
I'd would think you should be able to go ahead and use them without any worry. Stick a Goldenrod filter on each one, and if they are setting in the right spot you can watch the sunrise shine through that filter. Sparkles like a giant ruby on the diesel tank.



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Coloken

05-27-2005 06:04:10




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
About once a year, I pry up the back end of tanks, with like a 4x4, and drain every thing out. This to get what normally doesn't. All tanks get some water. Keep filters on them. I hope they are still usable for you. Filters will take care of rust unless its to bad, but don,t let any water get into machines.



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RickL

05-27-2005 06:36:40




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Coloken, 05-27-2005 06:04:10  
Definetly go ahead use them, put you a filter in the fillhose and use the style that also seperates the water and you will be fine. They will stand just fine unless tornado comes in direct with them. They are dime dozen in my area.



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mike brown

05-27-2005 05:42:54




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 05:07:23  
As long as you filter good you should be ok. If they were used for diesel they probably haven't rusted too bad. If used for gas they could be very rusty. Fine rust would be my biggest concern. You may want to put two filters in series.
From the looks of the land in the background it's a wonder they haven't been blown into the next state.



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Allan in NE

05-27-2005 06:01:11




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to mike brown, 05-27-2005 05:42:54  
Hi Mike,

Thanks, that's kinda what I figured on doing.

I wondered about the wind too, as the things aren't even bolted down to the stands.

But they set to leeward of the buildings and the whole barnyard is protected by a nice established bi-directional shelterbelt, which is 6 or 7 rows deep and is stacked correctly as far as evergreen/seasonal varieties.

Thanks again,

Allan



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Glen in TX

05-27-2005 08:58:10




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Allan in NE, 05-27-2005 06:01:11  
I'd go ahead and use them too and just carry some extra filters in case you needed them later saving a trip. Good idea to drain them once a year. Yep, marking them for what you want delivered in them still doesn't always work. Had deliveryman put diesel in our gas tanks once during the middle of wheat harvest and before we knew it had a mess in all our pickups and trucks. Oil change and fuel drain out of all of them and even had to put carb kits in some later to straighten that mess out. Good luck with the new place.

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steveormary

05-27-2005 17:33:44




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 Re: Fuel Barrels in reply to Glen in TX, 05-27-2005 08:58:10  
Allan,we had fuel barrels mounted up like that. The deisel tank had a green cap and the gas tank a red cap. Fuel guy had his own ladder so no problem putting in fuel.

steveormary



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