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Allan in NE

05-24-2005 15:33:24




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Hi Guys,

What kind of grain drill would you guys recommend? Looking for one with an alfalfa seeder.

Thanks,

Allan




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Farrviewsouth

05-25-2005 16:58:19




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
Allan, let me add my congratulations to the others on getting the farm
I admit to envy tonight ;>



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mike brown

05-25-2005 10:46:48




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
I've seeded hay fields for about thirty years now and the last one I used a drill on was about that long ago. I have the local fertilizer dealer blend the seed in with fertilizer and spread it mixed. For $7.50/acre spreading price I can't see doing it my self. If you get some rain it will work but it might be better to loosen up the surface soil with a disc set shallow then roll it after it's spread.

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JDB

05-25-2005 10:22:50




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
Hey Allan, check with your area NRD. Some district have drills for rent Really good ones too. At least the upper loup district does.



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agrogers

05-25-2005 07:57:29




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
I will second the Deere 750 drill. We have one that I just went through last weekend. Real heavy and real simple. It's basically a conventional drill hopper mounted on a massive frame with real heavy duty single-disc opener row units. It has an active down-pressure system, and will drill in anything except cement from what I have used it for. You can also add 1000 pounds of front tractor weights if its a real dry season. From the sounds of it, thats what you might need.

You can also get a grass seed attachment. I know a guy who has one, and it works pretty slick.

It's painted the color of money for a reason though...

Let us know what you come up with.

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Leland

05-24-2005 19:34:57




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
oliver made a good drill about 40 years ago and the one I used handled any thing we dumped into it.



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KEH

05-24-2005 19:09:07




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
Allan, My experience has mostly been with John Deere Van Brunt older drills. Some things to look for: on the type with the single cupped disc per row, they have a small scraper at the bottom of the disc to keep trash from clogging the disc, called a sword. It is rivited on, and as the foot gets worn past the rivets the sword falls off and you have to weld on a new sword or buy an expensive new foot. The better system is to have double disc openers. These have 2 flat discs with no foot to clog up with trash. I"m sure other makes have this system also. Get a drill that raises and lowers with the tractor hydraulics instead of trip levers. The old John Deeres have a chain drive in each wheel. Check to see if both are working. There are exposed gears on each side that drive the seeding mechanism. If they are worn out it is a pain to change them. Simple sliding levers control the seeding rate, one for each side of the seed box. It takes some experimentation to get them both dropping seed at the same rate. Can"t help you on the small seed box. Some of this you probably already know, but I hope I helped you some. Massey Fergueson model 33 drill was in production a good while so it is probably a good drill. Good luck on the project. KEH

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JiminIA

05-24-2005 18:47:15




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
Allen, I picked up a JD 8300 hundred for a $120 at a sale this past spring. It did need some work but the small seed setup was in excellent shape and it had double disk openers. Most all the older ones seem to be equally good as long as the boxes are still solid/ If I had my way I would have a brillion. I drilled some alfalfla with no oats and it came in really well, better than with the oats no weeds. Maybe I just got lucky, this was my first time trying it with outta cover crop. Good luck...Jim

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no.

05-24-2005 17:33:38




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
If you plan to drill alfalfa, a drill with packer wheels would be nice. You can either pull a cultipacker behind the drill or go back over the ground for a little firmer seedbed if you don't have packer wheels.



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Allan in NE

05-24-2005 17:59:13




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to no. , 05-24-2005 17:33:38  
Hi Guy,

I'm very seriously considering running the drill right in the darned wheat stubble, right behind the combine and dropping the alfalfa while running the grain boxes empty (no nurse crop at all).

Guys are telling me that it works if a fellow gets lucky and gets a rain to kick off that baby alfalfa? They say ya gain the "dead-year"?

Allan



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Paul in Mich

05-24-2005 19:47:51




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 17:59:13  
Allan, If you are going to drill on wheat stubble, then a JD 750 no-till drill with alfalfa seeder attachment would make a nice package. a 15"version would pull nicely behind your 966, and if you do want to till some ground, it will also seed well on tilled ground. A lot of farmers around here, (mid Mich) use the 750 for that reason, because it is till or no-till compatable. The 750 15" is also nice because you can at a later date add another 15 ft section and pull a 30 ft" configuration, but you"d have to bring in more power to handle it. How much ground are you planning on farming from the onset?

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Rod F.

05-25-2005 06:34:59




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-24-2005 19:47:51  
Hi Allan,

I would have to agree with Paul on this one. One of my neighbours down the road has a John Deere min-till drill (I think it's a 750), which does an excellent job. I know it was a section of a larger drill when he bought it several years ago. It's got the large packer wheels, and it's heavy. You would have no trouble using it to direct seed your alfalfa, but it's a heavy sucker to pull. I would stay clear of the Massey 33's. I have one. Unless you take the time to prepare that perfect seedbed, seed placement is non-existent with that drill. With the price of fuel today, it's cheaper to have a good drill that will handle tougher conditions than it is to do a lot of fussy tillage work. That said, I still wouldn't buy another 33... Have fun in the dirt.

Rod

BTW, renting a no-till drill could really be the way to go. I rented a Great Plains Solid Stand 7 this spring, and was happy with the results. It does a nice even job.

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Indydirtfarmer

05-25-2005 06:08:16




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-24-2005 19:47:51  
I'll second that.... I've been using a Deere 750 for 12 years now myself. I didn't know if Allan was planning on spending hat sort of money on one, but a man of his obvious means could afford anything....

I've been looking for a good buy on a 10' 750 drill for a few years now. They sell for about what the 15'er does (at least around here) I have a few fields that are quite a distance from the main location we farm. The 10'er would be MUCH easier to transport. I just don't know it it would be practical (financially) to own 2 drills....

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Allan in NE

05-25-2005 06:28:04




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 05-25-2005 06:08:16  
John,

Somebody has given you some bad info. There is no "man of obvious means" living around here; you gotta be thinking of someone else. :>(

What kind of money are we talking on one of these drills? I'm just a little guy, only want a "functional" grain drill and really don't intend on being in the wheat business.

Just something that will drop 50 or 60 acres of oats/alfalfa a year.

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

05-25-2005 08:02:03




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-25-2005 06:28:04  
Allan, You MUST have a bucket-o-cash just to afford all that shiney red paint you've been buyin'....

Those 750 drills sell for MEGA-dollar... I've seen a couple "wrecks" sell for $7500, but expect $10,000 for a good condition model. (and maybe MORE)

The "artificial inflated value" is because they're the #1 no-till soybean drill as we speak. You'd be better off (since you're wanting to save a few pennies) to look for something "pre-90's" before the solid-stand no-till soybean craze hit.

The Deere 8300 is a good alternative, as is the IH model (# escapes me at this moment) built in the late 70's early 80's. The old Deere FB-B is a good piece if you can find one not ravaged by time...

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JMS/MN

05-25-2005 08:43:54




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 05-25-2005 08:02:03  
Would the IH drill be the 510? Similar to the 8300, both hold almost 3 bushels per foot of box length. My 13 foot 8300 holds 37 bushels of seed, makes for some long runs between fills. Regarding packer wheels on the JD- I think later ones were different than the first ones. First ones looked nice but had little down pressure, compared to the later versions. Maybe later version mounted on each opener assembly, rather than on its own frame behind the openers?

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Indydirtfarmer

05-25-2005 09:51:08




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to JMS/MN, 05-25-2005 08:43:54  
I think that'd be the 510.... They sell for about half what a comparable Deere drill does around here, and I don't see where they're such a bad drill. Most everyone I know that owns 'em likes 'em.



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JMS/MN

05-25-2005 12:13:09




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 05-25-2005 09:51:08  
Kicked myself years ago when I let one go for $850. Went to a sale for a bean header, came home with combine and 3 heads, swather, chisel, stalk chopper, other stuff. Five trips to get everything home from 90 miles away. Didn't know how much I could humor the banker with another surprise. Paid $2200 for my 8300 a few years ago, and that was cheap.



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Allan in NE

05-25-2005 08:12:48




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 05-25-2005 08:02:03  
Thanks John,

As of an hour ago and all of a sudden like, I'm really strapped for cash.

I was thinking something along the lines of this old sister; maybe a bit wider?

Why wouldn't this work for an old man just out playin' in the dirt like an old fool? :>(

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

05-25-2005 08:23:48




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-25-2005 08:12:48  
That'd be what you want....



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Allan in NE

05-25-2005 05:30:18




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Paul in Mich, 05-24-2005 19:47:51  
Mornin' Paul,

That sure sounds like a plan; I'm just not much of a dry land farmer so this is really becoming a learning experience for me.

The only field that is "pressuring" me this year is that 66 acres in the upper right. Last year it took the hail; the fellow who farms it knew it was going to be sold so this past fall he reseeded the hailed out wheat as well as the fallow all into one patch of wheat.

Wheat on wheat two years running and it is shouting at me to get some nutrient back in the soil.

I'll worry about another 80 acres of grass hay next spring. It's gonna get the plow treatment and that should put the whole place back into a proper rotation the third year out as there are roughly 50 acres in second year alfalfa now.

The place has 120 acres of pasture so the whole she-bang has got to be funneled thru some mama cows in order to make it work, seems to me.

Thanks,

Allan

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no.2

05-24-2005 18:23:58




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 17:59:13  
Sounds to me like you need a no-til drill to get good seed soil contact. In most of the counties around here you can rent one from either a dealer or the conservation people.



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Allan in NE

05-24-2005 18:33:00




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to no.2, 05-24-2005 18:23:58  
Okay,

I'm gonna ask around here and see what the local boys are using. Also gotta run a hydro-swing and a baler to ground too.

This is coming at me pretty darned fast. Be careful what ya wish for, I've been told. :>)

Allan



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Indydirtfarmer

05-24-2005 16:30:20




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
Howdy Allan!

If you're looking for an older one, the FB-B John Deere is hard to beat. Plenty of 'em still around, so parts aren't too difficult to find.

How big (wide) are you looking for?

Are you officially a farmer yet? (Closed yet?)

John



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Allan in NE

05-24-2005 17:21:43




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 05-24-2005 16:30:20  
Hi John,

Aw heck, I don't care; maybe a 12 or 15 footer? Is that the model with the seeder behind the grain bins instead of in front like those old galvanized kind were?

Don't wanna "jinx" myself by speakin' early, but we got the nod this afternoon. "Unless a red-brick falls outta the sky", he says.

So, will double verify in the morning, call the real estate lady and see if we can put a ribbon and bow on this thing and get it wrapped up. It's been one heck of a roller coaster ride, that's for sure.

Havin' a little trouble getting the smile off my wife's face, but now all of a sudden, I'm the one that is behind like you wouldn't believe.

Soon as those combines move out of the wheatfields, I'm on; it appears 'cause this place is screamin' for a crop rotation scheme.

Allan

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Sloroll

05-24-2005 20:43:57




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 Cheers! in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 17:21:43  
YEAH!



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RustyFarmall

05-24-2005 16:19:47




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to Allan in NE, 05-24-2005 15:33:24  
My Dad had a John Deere Van Brunt, it seemed to always do a good job. Oats, brome, timothy, clover, and alfalfa. It would handle all of them.



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Harley

05-25-2005 15:31:35




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 Re: Grain Drill in reply to RustyFarmall, 05-24-2005 16:19:47  
Congratulations you guys. Glad that place worked out for ya. Just talked to your wife and you're right, she's on cloud nine. Now you're gonna be busier than a cat during corn shellin. Harley



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