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Water in tubeless tires?

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Phillip Womble

05-18-2005 14:40:09




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I run a large tree spade on my 963 Bobcat. When lifting a heavy tree sometimes the rear end gets a little light. Some extra weight in the rear end would be helpful, and I am thinking of putting water in the rear tires. My tires are tubeless and I am wondering if putting water in them would cause the rims to rust or corrode from the inside. Anyone have any thoughts or experience with this? THANKS!!

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Rod F.

05-20-2005 19:45:04




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Phillip Womble, 05-18-2005 14:40:09  
I'd think about hanging some cast weights on the back somewhere. Those little 10-16.5's give enough trouble without loading them with anything. Some hanging weight on the back that can be removed fairly easily will be a better solution, and a couple hundred pounds will go a lot further out back than it will at the wheels. Beyond that, if you do load them, loading them tubeless is probably the best way to go, with water. HTH.

Rod

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buickanddeere

05-20-2005 12:34:45




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Phillip Womble, 05-18-2005 14:40:09  
How about cast combine rear wheel weights? And install tubes and sugar beet pulp for ballast. DO NOT fill about the valve stem when it is at 12 o'clock. 2/3 full is better. Calcium Chloride was used only because it was cheap and the only stuff they had to work with 75 years ago. It's a sense of tradition and "It's always been done this way" . Not logic why the CC crap is still used.



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JiminIA

05-19-2005 10:04:24




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Phillip Womble, 05-18-2005 14:40:09  
Most if not all new tractors run tubeless. And yes they still load the tires with cal. chloride. They are using something else now but I forget what they told me it was...Jim



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Old Pokey

05-18-2005 21:13:15




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Phillip Womble, 05-18-2005 14:40:09  
What brand and style of tree spade do you have?

On the water for weight thing, I dont think you"ll gain enough weight to make the risk and effort worth the while. Plus the tire will act different without air. The tires on the skid steer are far enough foward that even with the weight in the tires, it will be transfered to the front with very little foward tip.

Can you hang some scrap iron on the back, maybe between the hydraulic stabilizers?

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RickB

05-18-2005 15:48:32




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Phillip Womble, 05-18-2005 14:40:09  
If you fill them above rim level, they won't corrode. No air, no corrosion. Any rim exposed to the remaining air will corrode. Many, many tubeless tires are calcium filled.



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Dave_Id

05-18-2005 15:18:49




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Phillip Womble, 05-18-2005 14:40:09  
Put tubes in, then the water an calcium/chloride. Yes, the water and CC will definitely rust the rims.



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Phillip Womble

05-18-2005 18:16:24




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Dave_Id, 05-18-2005 15:18:49  
I forgot to mention that I live in Florida - we do not use that calcium stuff, just water because it does not freeze here.

Would I still need tubes to protect the rims if I use water only?

THANKS!!!



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JHL

05-18-2005 18:50:02




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to Phillip Womble, 05-18-2005 18:16:24  
The tires will not have any air in them when you add the water,if the beads are set and you can put the water in without leaks you might be able to get by without tubes. Tubes will be the best way to go.



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edchainsaw

05-18-2005 19:17:07




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to JHL, 05-18-2005 18:50:02  
ya they will have air ... but with out the salt you will not see enough rust to warrant a problem



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ed1

05-19-2005 09:22:50




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to edchainsaw, 05-18-2005 19:17:07  
i'd put some anti-freeze in. it will protect against freezing and has some anti-rust additives.

don't fill all the way - it will be like you have cement wheels. also traction will suffer



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edchainsaw

05-19-2005 19:11:42




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 Re: Water in tubeless tires? in reply to ed1, 05-19-2005 09:22:50  
despite all efforts you can not totally fill anytire with water --- it must have some air to fillit out..

and water(solution) is used to ADD traction to farm tires.. not take away traction... it makes the machine heavier and it does make handling a little different



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