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flyingvranch

04-29-2005 14:07:24




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I apologize for the off topic post but ya'll really seem to give sage advice and I need some. If you were going to buy one main peice of heavy equipment (dozer, backhoe, excavator, etc.) to try to start a business and make a living, what would you buy and how would you use it? Just curious as I want to do just that. Thanks in advance!




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Ludwig

04-30-2005 11:37:42




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Bobcats have a ton of different attachments. The Bobcats are common but the attachements aren't...



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ShepFL

04-30-2005 07:24:09




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
copied from Dozer forum

For me it would depend on the kind of business you want to do. If you get a TLB you should also look at getting a small dump truck to run with it to be effective. Escavation, septics, land clearing, hauling dirt etc.

FWIW, I will pass along some sage advise I got while shopping for a small dump truck - "you can only gut a sheep once, BUT, you can shear him many, many times."

That told me real quick to cease the search for the dump truck as I could only do some much land clearing, septics etc. and my travel range would have to increase to find the new business.

I refocused my "will work for hire" work on creating & maintaining yr. round feed plots for hunting clubs. Here in the South lot of clubs lease land yet don't have equipment to do the "farmer" work.

This is where I come in. My capital investment is already paid for, overhead is low, I get paid by the hour, they pay for seed, fertilizer, fuel etc. I get to hang out in the woods working my old iron and I get paid to do it. Side benefit is I have some key spots to go deer hunting in the fall and since I have been in the woods all yr. I have a good idea of where the deer are.

For personal use I own an OLD MF 50C rubber tire 2WD TLB. I wish it had a grapple bucket but alas it does not. Root rake for front bucket would also be nice. I do some odd jobs around the area i.e. ditches, clearing fields, driveway building etc. It keeps me in fuel money. You can do more with a TLB than a dozer or track hoe as those are more specialized machines.

Just some food for thought.

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TomTX

04-30-2005 07:01:03




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Flyingvranch, where are you located? Would that be near Weatherford, TX?
Tom



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Redmud

04-30-2005 11:04:44




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to TomTX, 04-30-2005 07:01:03  
Flying P ranch is near Weatherford. Or it was in my dirt bike days.



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flyingranch

04-30-2005 07:19:01




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to TomTX, 04-30-2005 07:01:03  
I'm near Huntsville, TX. Sounds like I should look into a skidsteer. Thanks everyone for the good advice!



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NC Wayne

04-29-2005 23:26:42




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Working as a mechanic in the heavy equipment I can tell you from looking at our typical customers that the piece of equipment you get all depends on what you want to do. We've got a customer that does nothing but run the sewer lines for new houses and tie them into the city system. He has one newer model 555 backhoe but wishes he had his older 555 back which got stolen a few years back. He said the older model was alot smoother than the newer one and working close to newly installed power lines, phone lines, etc the smoother and more precise the better. Another customer has a CAT 953 loader with a 4-n-1 bucket that he uses mainly for small clearing jobs. His brother has his own company also and he has an older 450 Deere that he uses for the same type things. The one with the 450 also has a older 555 that he uses for things like removing old heating oil tanks for people, etc.and being brothers they often share equipment if the other needs something. If you have a way to burn waste oil this is something really great to get into. We burn it in our shop so he recently brought us enough good kerosene he had taken out of a tank, prior to diging it up, to last us for several years. If your wanting to take on smaller jobs then a medium sized skid steer with attachments like many of the other posts suggest is a good way to go. Another big thing in many parts of the country is portable concrete pumps. With no room between houses to put a truck in most neighborhoods a small portable unit that can be rented for a fair price, instead of paying an arm and a leg for one of the boom type trucks, is a hot comodity. Basically it all depends on what you want to do and what the market will support as to what equipent your gonna need. In my observations though a loader with a 4-n-1, a decent size backhoe, or a skid steer, or a combination of any of the three to give you a little more versatility right fro the start is the way to go. Just make sure you have really good liability insurance. In the case of someone the sewer line guy if he should happen to severe a fiber optic phone line, hit a main electric line, etc the cost of a repair like that could run into some serious money that could put a small man out of business if you weren't covered. Just something to think on. Hope this helps.

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Mark - IN.

04-29-2005 21:20:30




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Ha Ha Ha Ha, a million different answers, and each of them's correct. Everyone of them. Guess you need to figure out what's lacking.

The guy that leveled for my barn picked up a 450 Case dozer for about $7,500 (dirt cheap), knows a lot of the builders (barns) and is a busy guy. Pulls it behind a 3/4 ton extended cab diesel Ford, working that pickup over real good. Mounted a laser to the blade, sets a reciever out, and takes his time at $65 and hour. I aint complaining, did excellent work, gets a lot of work. Good for him, did alright by me, aint gettin rich, but is his own boss and makes or breaks "his" own business. Proud of the guy. Some guys can level with a back blade, I tried and aint one.

Mark

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DL

04-29-2005 18:29:37




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Hey Fly,
Many years ago, I needed some work done and began thumbing through the phone book... stumbled on a guy who had a mid-sized JD tractor and a bunch of implements. He managed to stay busy about 20 hours a day through the building season. He looked forward to winter... was the only chance he had to fix everything that broke during the summer. The tractor had a front-end loader and he had a 3 point tiller, post hole auger, and blade... charged (15 years ago) a flat $40.00/hour and couldn't keep up!!! Best Regards,
DL

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kyhayman

04-29-2005 16:54:22




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Im with the skid steer crowd. So versatile and so many attachments. I used to put 500 hours on my tractors a year. Just for farm use, when I got a skid loader, I dropped 250 hrs off that and did more work with 160 on the skid loader.



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MSM

04-29-2005 16:13:31




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
I would suggest a skid steer. One with boom hydraulics so you can buy/rent attachments as needed. You can do grading work,landscape work,trenching,stump grinding,backhoe work,drill postholes or holes for trees and field/lot mowing with an owned or rented attachment. Maybe start with a smooth edged bucket and a tooth bar,and as jobs come up rent what you need.If you find that you are renting an attachment alot,buy it. I would also suggest a 1 ton dump and trailer to move the machine or materials as needed.

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Midwest redneck

04-29-2005 15:48:46




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
If it were me I would get a FEL backhoe, one machine for heavy trenching and digging and the FEL for gravel and dirt pile moving. Remember that Insurance is expensive and that some folks dont or wont pay after the job is finished. A buddy of mine who did all my excavating work pays $25,000+ in insurance and licenses and does about $200,000/year in sales, the cash jobs are nice.



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thejdman01

04-29-2005 15:40:51




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
alot of guys around here dont want to mess w/the little stuff that have "real equipment" and alot of people property values going up cant afford or buy a new bigger house doing ad ons etc a bobcat 337 or the like woudl be a good place to start. also another great great great great tool is a vermer and if i were to tell you id be lying i want to say something like a v4 and i cant think of the rest of the numbers came w/ 3 cylinderdeutz engines oh what is it anyways has a trencher that will go about 51/2 ft a back hoe and a blade for grading digging driveways whatever that woudl also be a good tool to have.

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caseyc

04-29-2005 15:22:35




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
i know alot of guys that make a living with a backhoe and a single axle 5 yard dump. most of them that is all they have and have had the same two pieces of equipment for longer then i have been on this earth (26yrs). my grandpa started in the fifies with a hoe and truck, by the 70's he had expanded to a rather large equipment base but by the 90's he was back down to just a hoe and truck because everything else was to much of a headache!

casey in SD

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dhermesc

04-29-2005 15:13:37




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
A Ditch Witch for trenching and small back hoe work. Local guy owns one and is busy everyday of the week.



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jdemaris

04-29-2005 15:02:23




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Number one, it depends if you want to work by yourself or plan on having some employees. If you want to work by yourself, there seems to be a high demand for someone willing to do small jobs. When I say "small", I mean something one operator can do in a day or two. A friend of mine bought a Bobcat 753 with a backhoe attachment, front loader, and a few other options. He bought it used 5-6 years ago. It is a truly amazing all-around machine and he pulls it on a trailer with a 3/4 ton pickup truck. It is a very well built, rugged, and efficient machine - but - cost a lot also. So, that's one idea, of I'm sure, many.

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VaTom

04-29-2005 14:56:43




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Friends here, brothers who grew up in the business, had different ideas along those lines. One bought a backhoe, now has two always busy, mostly septics. The other bought a crawler loader for which he can almost find enough work.

Oddly, my most frequent request is not my crawler loader, but my landscape-sized hoe on a compact tractor. I know it's spring, but there must be other small hoes out there. My billing is never less than 1 day.

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JMS/MN

04-29-2005 14:54:38




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to flyingvranch, 04-29-2005 14:07:24  
Whatever is lacking in your area, and there is a need for. Or if you notice a long waiting period for someone who has that equipment and cannot keep up with demand.



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Kevin

04-29-2005 16:38:50




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to JMS/MN, 04-29-2005 14:54:38  
Link Maybe something like this with the FEL, back hoe, and the mower? Then you would be able to dig, move, and mow.



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cadet trooper

04-29-2005 17:06:21




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to Kevin, 04-29-2005 16:38:50  
I'm not as up on the latest equipment as everyone else on here but I think they have some very good ideas. But I can tell you some of the tools you need is a good accountant,attorney for contracts and insurance. A bill collector because accounts recievable will kill ya and someone mentioned keep it down to no employees because they will want benefits and time off with Workman's Comp. etc. These are are a few of the reasons small businesses fail. My advice is keep it small and family. My two cents.

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mike brown

04-29-2005 17:36:17




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to cadet trooper, 04-29-2005 17:06:21  
Hoes always seem to make money.;)



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Hoosier JD

04-30-2005 05:43:41




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to mike brown, 04-29-2005 17:36:17  
LOL very smooth...



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Larry NE IL

04-29-2005 21:11:56




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 Re: OT one piece of heavy equipment to make a livi in reply to mike brown, 04-29-2005 17:36:17  
Depends on the area you live in. Rural or urban.
Small to medium size dozers seem to do OK in rural areas, doing clearing and grading work.

Skid steer is about the most adaptable machine out there for working urban areas, as is a combination backhoe.

A hydraulic excavator is also one of the most useful tools, and most economical to operate, as most work being done goes thru the hydraulic system, not thru the entire driveline like a dozer or endloader.

In this area (Chicago metro) track endloaders are real popular. Many guys here do entire housing subdivisions with only an endloader and a skidsteer.

Whatever suits you the best. As in any business, the machine isn't nearly as important as the operator. YOU are the heart and soul of your business. It will be YOU that makes the business go, no matter the size, color or vintage machine you own. I did it for more years than I'd like to remember...You can do it too!
Best of luck Larry NE IL

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