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Diesel timing light adaptor

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jdemaris

04-29-2005 05:37:17




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I want to build, or buy a reasonably priced pulse adaptor so I can use a conventional timing light on diesel engines with mechanical injection. So far, the one I've seen for sale is made by Ferret and sells anywhere from $200 to over $300 is you buy it under the Snap-on or OTC name. Also, when you buy it, it is specific to the precise OD of the injector line, and extra adaptors for different sizes are close to $100 each. I suspect, as is the case with most specialty tools, this thing cost about $20 to make. So, has anybody ever made their own or found a cheaper units around? I found the following suggestion for building one, but it doesn't sound like it is actually for mechanical injection:

"Make a 100 turn loop of #26 magnet wire that is large enough in diameter to put around the injector solenoid (loose loop). Wrap tape around to hold the loops together. Drive the base-emitter on a 2N3055 transistor with the loop outputs. Connect your strobe trigger connection across the collector-emitter on the transistor. You might want to add a 1k, 1/4 watt potentiometer in series on the transistor base and start with it at 1k, adjusting down until it's just enough to trigger the transistor. The 2N3055 is pretty cheap and it has pretty high gain. This means it will use very little induction current from the injector to trigger it."

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txgrn

04-29-2005 06:08:01




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 Re: Diesel timing light adaptor in reply to jdemaris, 04-29-2005 05:37:17  
j,

Did I miss something? You said "....on diesel engines with mechanical injection."

Tain't a solenoid on mechanical injection....at least the mechanical injection of which I am aware; where the pump generates enough pressure to unseat the injector valve which is nothing more than a housing, plunger, and spring. It's all mechanical?????

Now I have heard of units that contain a pressure transducer that has to sense the pressure in the line; hence a tap is required.

Since you have to have the engine off to set the pump anyway, are you really gaining that much over trial and error?

Mark

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jdemaris

04-29-2005 06:51:03




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 No - a tap is not needed in reply to txgrn, 04-29-2005 06:08:01  
I'm not sure I fully understand all of what you're saying or asking. In regard to the "instructions" for building the unit - it doesn't look right to me either since the guy mentions a solenoid which does not exist in mechanical injection. In regard to whay you say about "having the engine off to set the pump", you've totally lost me there. Many pumps can have their fuel delivery adjusted, and measured with the pump intact and on the engine. I've done many. But, I'm trying to find a way to check the initial timing on a mechanical injection diesel. Usually, with most pumps, there are timing holes are marks that provide initial (unadvanced) timing marks. The problem I've encountered several times is due to two situations: First - pumps mounted in such a way that the timing lines on the pump are not visible when it is installed, and number two - mainly with Roosamaster/Stanadyne pumps - sometimes the governor weight retainer ring gets replaced without being marked. When new, out of the box, they have no timing marks. They come this way so they will fit all pumps. The installer is supposed to stick it on a degreed chart, and mark it for the particular application before installing it. I've come across many that were never marked. As far as what you mention about needing a tap to sense injection - that is NOT true. For years, there has been an adapter available for mechanical injection that hooks to a conventional gas-engine type timing light. It simply clips over the injector line. It uses a Piezo pickup, but I've never seen a schematic so I don't know for sure exactly how it works. As I mentioned in my first post, they cost $200-$300. Ferret makes them, and other companies sell them under their own name including Snap-On and OTC.

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Jerry/MT

04-29-2005 11:03:54




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 Re: No - a tap is not needed in reply to jdemaris, 04-29-2005 06:51:03  
The piezo pickup uses the mechanical motion (pulse) of the fuel line, however slight, as the plunger builds up the fuel pressure to generate a small voltage that is the signal that that the injector fired. I'd imagine there would be an amplifier to make the output larger enough to trigger a timing light.



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the tractor vet

04-29-2005 10:04:20




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 Re: No - a tap is not needed in reply to jdemaris, 04-29-2005 06:51:03  
When it comes to the special tools that you can not get a SEARS or from CHAINA then if you want to run with the big DOGS then you must pay the price or be lucky enough to be at a sale and buy one when nobody knows what it is and you end up stealing it . If i need something special and i can not find it used then i pay the price to get the job done because i will need it again sometime or when i finaly kick the bucket and the wife sells my stuff off someone is going to get a bargain .

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jdemaris

04-29-2005 07:05:49




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 Link to URLs for the tool in reply to jdemaris, 04-29-2005 06:51:03  
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The Snap-On unit, MT257A is $333 and listed at:

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Snap-on unit may be a Ferret. Snap-on calls it a "diesel pulse adaptor." I found a message in a web-forum where a woman claims the design was stolen from her husband. Her message as follows:

"My late husband designed a timing light for diesel engine, only to have Snap On Tools steal it. He showed it to our tool man to see if he thought they might be interested. Then came back a month later and said no they weren't. 6 months later they came out with one of almost the exact design and the tool man retired. He was 41 years old."

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