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plowintime

04-23-2005 16:47:42




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I am in the process of getting prices to build a pole barn to park a couple of my tractors. I am limited by space so I must go with a 24x28x10 with 12in. eaves,1 entry door,2 windows,and 1 overhead door 18x9 insulated. So far prices are higher than expected(as usual) but they are running around $12,000 thats without the concrete floor. I am located in N.J. and I understand that things are higher in this area but how does this sound to you experts out there ? Thanks for your input.

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jdemaris

04-24-2005 06:45:38




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to plowintime, 04-23-2005 16:47:42  
Sounds high to me. You can buy the complete package for less then $6000 - with a sliding door, access door, and windows - so you can add a little for an overhead. Two good workers can complete the building in a week. So two workers, a total of 80 labor hours? $20 an hour comes to $1600 plut $6000 materials - sum of $7600. I know that if you buy through a company that subs. the work out, they add 1/3 to the price as their own profit.

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BradB

04-24-2005 07:50:37




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to jdemaris, 04-24-2005 06:45:38  
$20 per hour? I would love to get guys to work for that! Are they weekend warriors or do the actually have insurance and overhead cost????



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jdemaris

04-24-2005 15:06:47




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to BradB, 04-24-2005 07:50:37  
My $20 per hour reference is to what many building companies pay their sub-contractors. Some pay less. I assume in such a case, the insurance is covered by the main contractors and not the subs. When I worked as a sub. I had the option of hourly pay or piece-work. In the case of the part-time builder, very often the work is insured by the homeowner's policy. I used to be in the construction business, not anymore except for rare occasions with small jobs. I charge $50 per hour for small jobs and $40 for larger. That because there is often time wasted with small jobs that I don't have the nerve to charge for. When I do such work, it as a favor - I avoid it as much as possible. The building business, in my estimation, has gotten a little silly. My son recently needed a roof. I priced the materials at $4700. He opted to hire a local company to do it since he couldn't get time off of work to do it himself with my assistance. The job cost $18,000 - two guys worked on it for less than one week. The hourly rate comes to almost $200 per hour - and it is NOT highly skilled labor. Hard work, yes. Does it take some knowledge, of course. But to the degree of $200 per hour - come on. Thing is, less and less people are doing such work - thus the law of "supply and demand" kicks in.

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Mark - IN.

04-24-2005 20:24:29




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to jdemaris, 04-24-2005 15:06:47  
Actually you are correct if putting it up yourself. But if having it put up as a packaged deal, he's about right on the total package from what I've seen, been quoted, and paid. Cost of materials = cost of labor, then add up to total package cost. $6K in materials + $6K in labor = $12K as a package deal (for the going rate).

In my case, I ended up $24K for a 60x40x14 with 4" of concrete ($12K in materials including concrete + $12K in labor), because unfortunately I'm working phone repair in rural Illinois during the week, shooting home on the interstate every Friday evening to mid-upperstate Indiana, then back to Illinois every Sunday evening. I just don't have the time on weekends - is go non-stop. That's just the way it is. The Amish guys started mine about last Thanksgiving, made me pull my tractors and pickup out about 3 weeks ago, then finally poured my concrete last Tuesday. Fortunately and unfortunately for me, I'm stuck in Illinois this weekend doing "company mandated on-call", which will give the concrete almost 2 weeks to cure, so I can seal it this coming Friday night when I get home, another coat Saturday morning, and the tractors and that pickup back will be back in the barn before I head back to Illinois Sunday evening. Those guys really killed me when we had two straight weeks in December when was in the 60's, ground was dry, wasn't frozen, and didn't pour the concrete then.

Whatever he does, needs to get a start and finish date in writing, otherwise some guys bite off more jobs than can chew, stall all jobs. The barn's up, and now I'm going to be doing tractor maintenance I should've done in the winter, worked into everything else somehow. Maintenance for next season will be different though, it'll have been done in the winter like is supposed to be.

Mark

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Mark - IN.

04-24-2005 21:02:28




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 Oh yes in reply to Mark - IN., 04-24-2005 20:24:29  
By the way, no windows in mine. Entry door in a corner into the fenced in yard, two 12x12 sliding doors to the same far side, at opposite ends of the barn, vent/skylight that runs the length of the peak. Gives me one straight pass-thru from the drive, thru the barn, out into a pasture, with bays off to one side of the barn. A hint - figure out what you THINK you'll need for the size of your doors, then go at least a couple of feet wider. I did not, now have to go wider because are tight on the width. Can be done easily enough because went slider, but means taking down sheet metal, cutting out a 4x6 on each end, putting up wider tracks, making new doors. Now doors will be 20x12. Don't follow my mistakes, learn not to make them in the first place. Consumes time I can barely find, but I'll have to make the time and do it.

Mark

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MarkinMo

04-24-2005 06:39:51




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to plowintime, 04-23-2005 16:47:42  
We just had a Wick building completed in Missouri. It is 52' wide, 45' long, 14' side walls, 2 16' sliding doors, and one end open. We put it over an existing concrete slab. Cost installed was approx. $22,000. Wife wanted some extra options to make it pretty such as cupola, red trim & gutters which added about $1500 to $2000.



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dave from MN

04-24-2005 06:13:31




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to plowintime, 04-23-2005 16:47:42  
I just put up a 36 x 48, 12' side walls, 16 x10 and 10x10 over head doors. 1 service door, 2 windors on sunny side. Materialss $10,600 Labor $3300. Central MN. Wish I had gone bigger, they are never as big as ya want once they are up.



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WiCraig

04-24-2005 06:11:01




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to plowintime, 04-23-2005 16:47:42  
Had one built in northern Wis 2 years ago. 24 x 40 with concrete slab, one 16' door, one 8' door and one service door, metal roof. $7500. I don't like the metal roof though, way too noisy when it rains. Can't hear the wife yelling for me. Hey wait a minute.



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Midwest redneck

04-24-2005 04:03:02




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to plowintime, 04-23-2005 16:47:42  
That is not too bad of a price. I put up a 22' X 50' X 8' ceiling on one course of block for $20,000 that is with all concrete work and a 10X10 breezeway attached to the house, with concrete for that too. I build it in 2000. The siding is T1-11. I am in the process of insulating a 28X20 area inside of it for a workshop. You could reduce the width of your shop to 20' and increase the length of the shop and I think that would reduce the cost becasue of truss length, you would have to price it out. You can also reduce cost by going with a less pitch roof, mine is a 5/12.

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RayP(MI)

04-23-2005 19:03:26




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to plowintime, 04-23-2005 16:47:42  
Built a 24x36 a few years back. OSB, vinyl siding, one 16 foot overhead door, shingle roof, aluminum soffit. No other doors, windows, concrete, etc. Hauled sand & gravel for floor from own pit. Would be nice to have concrete, but you can live with a dirt floor. My material cost about $5,500. All labor provided by myself, son and a friend. With today's prices, and the package you want, your prices are not out of line, perhaps even a bit low. Two things to remember, You'll always under estimate, and build too small. You can't build a tool shed big enough!

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Bill IN NorthCentral PA

04-23-2005 17:38:14




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to plowintime, 04-23-2005 16:47:42  
$18.00 per square foot doesn"t sound too unreasonable. I would recommend galvalume painted steel (versus galvanized. Any specific questions, post them and I"ll try to answer them the best I can.

Are you putting concrete in at the same time?

Bill



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plowintime

04-23-2005 17:48:42




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 Re: OT - pole barn in reply to Bill IN NorthCentral PA, 04-23-2005 17:38:14  
yes I am doing the concrete my self.



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