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Gas John Deere 4020 Spark Plug Fowling

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Jerry Young

04-19-2005 06:09:56




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I have recently completed a valve and head job for a 4020 gas tractor. The cylinder compression is respectable and similar between cyclinders. The intake manifold was replaced some time ago and is tight with no leaks. I have also changed the system to electronic ignition and alternator from generator. I have also bought a 40,000 volt 12 volt coil. My problem is spark plug fowling. Just the slightest too much fuel(as in rapid acceleration)and the plugs fowl. Another cause seems to be long periods of idle and the plugs get fuel deposits.

I am using Motorcraft BTS-10 plugs and have the carb calibrated well (Zenith). The plug wires and distr. cap are new. The plugs are gapped at .060". I have tried .080" and I beleive this span is better in the first tests.

Upon pulling the plug wires while the engine is idling, a spark of 3/8" or better can be drawn between plug and wire. Idling for a time of 5 minutes or longer is terrible to this tractor. The fuel used is fine for other gas burners such as JD model A and a IH 2444. The fuel is a Amoco 87 octane blend with no alcohol.

Could split fire plugs, platinum plugs, increased spark gap etc. help?

I have been around 4020 gas burners for over 25 years. They work but not well when compared to 706 gasser. Any ideas?

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buickanddeere

04-19-2005 11:01:44




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 Re: Gas John Deere 4020 Spark Plug Fowling in reply to Jerry Young, 04-19-2005 06:09:56  
What is the coolant temp, what is the air temp, how hard is the tractor worked and is the manifold on "heat"?



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Mike M

04-19-2005 07:49:43




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 Re: Gas John Deere 4020 Spark Plug Fowling in reply to Jerry Young, 04-19-2005 06:09:56  
I use autolite 388 plugs in mine,copper core plug wires,stock points cond. set up and even coil. I am running a Zenith carb. now also.I have not had any problems with this tractor it starts and runs great.It is far from new with close to 6000 hrs. on it. I would suggest putting everything back as close to stock as you can,but keep a Zenith over the Marvel Schebler and you too should have good results. P.S. Does your carb. have an adjustable load needle ?

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Gerald J.

04-19-2005 07:45:22




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 Re: Gas John Deere 4020 Spark Plug Fowling in reply to Jerry Young, 04-19-2005 06:09:56  
My 4020 gas smoked like an IH diesel when I first got it a few years ago.

I believe the long intake manifold makes it hard to get a decent mixture to the end cylinders (lots of condensation until the manifold heats and JD does call for manifold heat up to 90 when not loaded hard) and to the center two cylinders at the same time.

However, I found a few things to make it burn a leaner mixture and never touched the carburetor settings.

1. I made sure the choke opened all the way. The choke cable sheath wasn't anchored near the carburetor and would open only half way.

2. I cleaned junk out of the intake.

3. I cleaned the air cleaner (dry).

4. I pushed the dome of the Donaldson precleaner up instead of down where it had been pulled from over tightening over the decades.

5. I replaced the float needle and seat.

6. I went to a higher heat range AC plug, No Champion plugs.

7. I put in copper wires.

8. I timed it to 20 degrees before top dead center with .020 point gap while at 2000 rpm per the owner's manual.

The first year I burned 400 gallons, the next year doing the same work, I burned 250 gallons. I've not changed the plugs in at least 150 hours. I have to use the choke when starting, often even when its warm. I don't have manifold heat on because some unkind soul cranked in a pipe plug into the heat shrowd of the intake manifold and split it.

It doesn't like 10% ethanol, probably because of the cold manifold that I ought to fix some of these years.

You could try to reduce the output of the accelerator pump in the carburetor. You could increase the distance between the float and the flange to lower the fuel level and so lean the mixture over the entire running range of the carburetor.

Gerald J.

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dhermesc

04-19-2005 09:18:59




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 Re: Gas John Deere 4020 Spark Plug Fowling in reply to Gerald J., 04-19-2005 07:45:22  
Go with Gerald's solution. Sounds like you carb is just set way to rich. I had a similar problem with my 350 after the carb was rebuilt.



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RustyFarmall

04-19-2005 06:36:34




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 Re: Gas John Deere 4020 Spark Plug Fowling in reply to Jerry Young, 04-19-2005 06:09:56  
Those 4010, 4020 gassers do like to foul plugs. We had a 4010 gas way back when, it never fouled a plug while plowing or disking, but mount the cultivator and idle through the field and you would be lucky to make it to the end of the row still hitting on all 6. The solution was to use a slower gear, and run the engine faster.



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Jon H

04-19-2005 10:04:54




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 Re: Gas John Deere 4020 Spark Plug Fowling in reply to RustyFarmall, 04-19-2005 06:36:34  
If yours is an early model with the ignition resistor built into the back of the ignition switch,then I would consider replacing it if it is more than 2 years old. When my 64 4020 had the stock point ignition system,I fought weak ignition,hard starting if it was damp,and plug fouling. If everything was in great condition with a near new ignition switch resistor,the ignition was weak but useable,with poor damp starting and light load plug fouling. I finally converted it to electronic ignition,fed directly from the battery,using the stock switch and wiring only to trigger a power relay that feeds direct battery voltage to the ignition system. The tractor now starts in any conditions(even in the rain),never fouls plugs and allows a much leaner carb setting for better fuel economy. I have never had anyone say anything good about the weak stock ignition system on those engines in a tractor or combine.

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