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Dug

03-30-2005 16:53:53

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Gentleman,

I have an '89 Ford F150. I went to start the little jewell today and when I turned the key, something "clicked" (broke inside the column) and when the key turned, it would not start. As this is just a farm truck, I would like to rewire it so I don't need a key. Any ideas on how to go about bypassing the ignition? Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Dug

PS Please keep in mind, I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to this type of work, so use small words and pictures would be appreciated.

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goldwingboy

03-31-2005 17:22:09

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

My 89 F150 has the switch bolted loosely to the bottom of the dash. I have an old phillips screwdriver in the ashtray I use to start and shut it off. If you close the ashtray you can leave the key in. Most can't figure out how to start it anyway. Now that I have the part number, I may try to fix mine though.

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billyiron

03-31-2005 07:00:00

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

just leave it run,,,,

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Redmud

03-31-2005 04:06:35

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

Dug, To start with, it's not a hard fix to do it right. if it's a tilt column though, it makes it a little harder, but not much. now for the cheap-o quick fix. The ign switch is mounted on top of the column under the dash with two or three 1/4 inch bolts, they could be metric, can't remember. remove the bolts and remove the switch, {you don't have to unplug the wires to do this} when you lift the switch you'll note that there is a rod with a 90 bend that plugs into the bottom side of the switch. Now make another rod with a 90 bend, {Brass welding rod} run the rod down the top of your steering column between the column and dash, plug the rod into the switch and bolt the switch to the column. cut the rod about half way between the steering wheel and the instrument panel and put another 90 bend for a hand grip. you now have a push pull ign switch. 15-20 minute job. and you will have to have the key switch in the on position.

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fred kobs

03-31-2005 03:34:02

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

Dug, caseyc probably has the answer for you. The special tools that are needed aren't very special. The (I assume U have tilt) pivots are easily pulled out w/a #10 or #12X 32 machine screw and a small visegrip locked to them. The actual pullers are @$30. Otherwise it's not a terrible job. Just a lot of finessing w/the plastic crap around the column. The white lube Ford used gets sticky after time so a little penetrating oil will make the new one last for a long time. Have fun getting the actuator timed...I always have to do it twice. Good thing is that you don't have to put it all the way together to find out if it works. The piece that you are after goes over the actuator rod and links to the key switch. I can now do them in @1.5hrs...the 1st one took 4hrs just to ballpark it for you. Good luck, hope this helps. Fred

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caseyc

03-31-2005 08:08:36

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to fred kobs, 03-31-2005 03:34:02

thanks for the words of encouragement fred. i work for a ford dealer in a small town and i sell dozens of those actuators a month. the switched rarely go bad, it's always the actuator.

casey in SD

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Jerry/MT

03-30-2005 21:59:38

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

I have a little brain so maybe I can help. Remove the key switch and replace it. I believe there is a small hole underneath where the switch it at and you put a small wire in there to unlatch the switch.

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Loren

03-30-2005 21:30:26

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

Remember that you'll need the key tumbler to be in the "ON" position for the steering wheel to turn. Or, discombooberize that lock also.

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37 chief

03-30-2005 19:53:43

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

Doesn't the rod going down actuate a switch which in turn actuates the starter solenoid? If you can find the switch just put a push button on the wires of that switch. I have had GM stearing colums's apart, and it is no fun. Stan in calif

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J.C. IN AZ.

03-30-2005 18:11:46

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

Changeing the Key Cylinder is a no Brainer,But! If that is not the problem a trip to your Ford Dealer is in Order. Seems there are special Tools to remove the full Ignition Switch Mechanism to replace it and the Entire Steering column has to be on a Bench to do this and it cost me $246.00 for this service and I removed and reinstalled the Sterring column.

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Mperry1000@aol.com

03-30-2005 19:57:29

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to J.C. IN AZ., 03-30-2005 18:11:46

Had the same thing happen to me . All I had to do was take a nail and push in the hole thats right below the key the ignition comes right out and you can pick up a new one at checker auto for $9.00 . My brother didn't know this and payed over $400.00 twice at the local Ford dealer I was so made what a ripoff

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Phil in MI

03-30-2005 18:08:21

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

Hey Dug, just change the switch, not a hard job.
Who are trying to kid "not the sharpest knife"?
I read your answer to Allan in NE on the difference in tires.

Phil

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Dug

03-30-2005 19:02:08

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Phil in MI, 03-30-2005 18:08:21

Like any intellectually gifted man, I have my areas of expertise. Lucky for Allan, tires is one of the many areas I far exceeed the mental capacity of the average man. However, when it comes to mechanical and electrical, my knife missed the sharpening stone.

Dug

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Allan in NE

03-30-2005 19:15:20

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 19:02:08

Dug,

Since the 23rd of March, 1983 I've had very little time for bankers; however, you are the exception.

I just don't think you are nearly as bad as your wife would seem to let on. :>)

Allan

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Dug

03-30-2005 21:39:41

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Allan in NE, 03-30-2005 19:15:20

Hey Allan,

Don't listen to my wife, she's just a mean, sour woman.

Now, 'bout them bankers, know what ya mean. It's all about the mighty dollar and to the devil with people. One of these days my ship will come in and I'll leave the corporate world far behind. Until then, those bills keep stackin' up and the John Deere keeps needin' really, really expensive parts...

Dug

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RustyFarmall

03-31-2005 04:47:03

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 21:39:41

Finally! A John Deere owner who actually admits that the green stuff is expensive to own. I didn't think I would ever hear that. LOL

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bpayne

03-30-2005 17:53:35

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

Probably just the end of the tumbler. A new tumbler and keys goes for about $11 and about 15 min to install. On the other hand there is 11 wires in the switch to bypass and being computer controlled they all have to go some where.
Good luck
Brad

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03-30-2005 17:07:05

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 16:53:53

It is real simple to replace the ignition switch. If all else is alright, just get a new switch and change it out. Thats not an uncommon problem. Changed out the one in my 88 F-250 a few years back. It made it past 200,000 before the switch gave out. Good luck! Don

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UncleTom

03-30-2005 17:39:12

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to DP, 03-30-2005 17:07:05

It could be the actuator rod that runs to the tumbler down the collum the the switch that broke.

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Dug

03-30-2005 17:37:36

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to DP, 03-30-2005 17:07:05

Since it's just a farm truck, I would rather bypass the ignition and wire it so I don't need to worry about a key. One less thing to lose.

Dug

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Dieselrider

03-30-2005 18:03:56

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 17:37:36

You could replace the switch and just leave the key in the thing. Then you wouldn't need to worry about losing it.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

03-30-2005 17:57:06

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 17:37:36

If you replace it with a standard switch and somone takes it for a ride, you may be held liable.

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caseyc

03-30-2005 17:52:47

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to Dug, 03-30-2005 17:37:36

chances are the part that broke is only 7 bucks!!!(ford part number EOTZ-3E715-A) it's a little actuator in the column. the problem is they are a pain to change out. an alternative which seems to be what you want is to get access to the rod in the column and just push down to start and pull up to stop the engine. it will have all the same postions as your key cylinder did. i've seen many columns half taken apart to gain access to this rod but they were still intack enough to drive and shift. good luck.

casey in SD

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DaveBob

03-31-2005 03:37:11

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Re: OT-Need to borrow a little brain power! in reply to caseyc, 03-30-2005 17:52:47

EXACTLY! Mine broke couple years ago.I popped the lower shroud on the column.Now I just lever the actuator rod in to start it,and back to stop it.With a Leatherman.Switch is disabled (no key needed) but can still turn it to lock wheel).It's a manual,so HOPE I never stall in traffic! Been like this for last 2 1/2-3 years!

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