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OT; will corn cross pollinate?

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flyingvranch

03-29-2005 14:30:12




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I want to plant some sweet corn for eating and some field corn for feed, side by side in my garden plot of about 85 x 75 feet. Will this cause any problems with cross pollination? Can someone eat field corn while its still tender? I will be hand planting the seeds so can someone give me info on seed depth and spacing and fertilizer. I have acidic soil. Thanks in advance for any advice!




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paul

03-30-2005 04:42:49




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
They can cross pollinate. Often sweet corn will pollinate long before the field corn starts to so it is not an issue, but that will depend on your planting dates & maturaty dates.

You know you need to buy hybred field corn seed, not just from a farmer's bin? While bin-run corn will grow & yield some corn, it has _very_ low yield.

You should have put some lime on last fall, lime takes time to work like a Tums on the soil. But, put some lime on for the acid.

You can use a good N,P,K fertilizer - but it will not do much good until you raise your soil ph. Lime is more important if you have acid soil.

Field corn will use about 1 lb of N for each bushel of corn produced, and perhaps 40# of P & K as well - in rough numbers. Perhaps some of that is already in your soil, perhaps not much? So if you want 100 bu of field corn per acre, you would want to add 100-40-40 # of actual fertilizer per acre.

Sweet corn yields about 2/3 as much as field corn, so would use about 2/3 as much fert.

Very general guidelines.

--->Paul

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J.C. IN AZ.

03-29-2005 20:04:07




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
I never ate "Sweet Corn" at Home growing up. we always ate Field Corn and never had a problem with it. Occasionally we would have Sweet Corn at some one else's House or a picnic etc. and I don't recall any of us noticing the difference.The secret is when to pick it. Dad always said if it was good for the Hogs it was good enough for us besides we all ate like Hogs LOL.I have eleven living Siblings.

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thejdman01

03-29-2005 17:23:46




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
i am not at all saying this in a mean condesending way at all but if your time is worth anything you planting field corn in your garden is a waste of time. not saying that to offend you or cut you down dont take it htat way that is not what i mean. i dont know your situation you say to feed does that mean squirls chickens cattle horses? i dont know how much you need or waht but literally isnt worth the time to hand plant the effort cost to water it the fertilizer it isnt. i have a couple of local familys who want a tad for chickens and a tad for horses etc and bagged cracked corn at the local feed was 6 bucks a 50lb bag. i recommended them just buy a few garbage bins bring them over and i would fill them. with corn prices 3 bucks or so a bushel buy some garbage barrels plastic shouldnt condensate as much and go to your grainery local farmer and have him fill it up jsut make sure it is dry.

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Glen in TX

03-29-2005 15:53:33




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
Sure it will cross but you do need to plant enough of the same varieties to get good pollination too. I've had the white and yellow cross and it was good eating and now you can buy seed like that. I've been watering all my garden with drip line and emitters and running the soluble fertilizer thru it by putting the fertilizer in a strainer.



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Dell (WA)

03-29-2005 15:34:40




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
Flying V..... ....yep, sweetcorn and field corn will cross-pollinate ...BUT... it don't effect the taste of eather the sweetcorn or yield of fieldcorn ...UNTIL... you try to saving some of the cornseeds for NEXT YEAR. Then you don't know whatcha gotts. Bleath!!! (field corn tastes terrible)

As a general rule, it don't profit to grow fieldcorn in a garden plot for any reason. Remember, field corn yield is bushels/acre. 85x75 is 6375 sq/ft and an acre is 43560 sq/ft, so yer planting just a mere 0.146 acre. Good fieldcorn yield is 200 bu/ac but is usually closer to 150 bu/ac, so iff'n yer good garden was planted 50/50 field corn, ya'd only have the potential of about 10 bu of field corn. What's 50# sack of corn at the feed store sell for?

Infact, I doubt yer local gardenstore will even have fieldcorn seed in the display racks and most field corn is hybrid ennyways (sterile). Grow several varitys of sweetcorn and stagger time plant them. Might even consider growing Indiancorn instead of fieldcorn. Infact you can actually feed sweetcorn instead of fieldcorn, eather dried and shelled (not much yield) or fresh and husked for a treat..... ...Dell

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Missouri Boy

03-29-2005 15:52:04




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to Dell (WA), 03-29-2005 15:34:40  
Hybrid corn from the field is NOT sterile. It may not have the same characteristics as the parent crop but will definately propagate and grow. When I was a kid we always just ate field corn fresh. I still like the field corn on occasion. If you doubt hybrid corn germinating just drive by a field about three weeks after harvest and see all of the sprouting volunteer corn growing.



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AMK

03-29-2005 18:45:06




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 Re: OT; Question? in reply to Missouri Boy, 03-29-2005 15:52:04  
Yes, it will come up, but will it produce ears with corn?



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Allan in NE

03-29-2005 19:05:01




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 Re: OT; Question? in reply to AMK, 03-29-2005 18:45:06  
Nope,

It sure won't. :>)

Allan



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Scotmac

03-29-2005 15:09:05




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
Sure...they will cross pollinate. The new varieties of the "super sweets" are 67 to 85 day maturity and usually mature before the field corn when planted side by side. Plant early sweet corn, and late field corn and cross pollination shouldn't be a problem. Cross pollination can make your sweet corn tough and unpleasant to eat.



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51Pony

03-29-2005 14:59:19




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
Just don't plant popcorn along side too!



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

03-29-2005 14:42:33




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
YES!!! Sweet Corn and field corn WILL cross pollinate (OK, so yes, it CAN cross-pollinate, I ain't here to promise that it will ;-) ).
And... Yes, you can eat field corn 'green' (at least I did, growing up... maybe that's what's wrong with me?).

Fertilizer... I use horse manure. On my whole garden (about 40' x 50')
Seed depth, 1 1/2 - 2 inches or so (I use an antique push-plow to cut my rows, drop the seeds in, then the same plow to cover the rows).
Spacing... I usually go about 12" in the row, 30" between the row. This year, though, I went about 18" in the row and dropped wax bean seeds between the corns (in the row).
If your soil ends up being too acidic, hit it with some agricultural lime. Feed stores around here sell it...

HTH

Steve

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Allan in NE

03-29-2005 14:53:34




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to Steve (Magnolia, TX), 03-29-2005 14:42:33  
Hi Steve,

Heck yes! Let 'er cross; just makes it better to eat anyway. :>)

Allan



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

03-30-2005 06:33:29




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to Allan in NE, 03-29-2005 14:53:34  
Hey Allan,

You'd better believe it!! I'd almost prefer field corn that's just over ripe (only a day or two) to sweet corn, anyway.

Steve



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Allan in NE

03-29-2005 14:42:13




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to flyingvranch, 03-29-2005 14:30:12  
Hi Fly,

Everybody I know does this as the last part of corn planting time; the last pass is sweet corn.

6 to 7" apart and 2 1/2" deep should do the trick.

Allan



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Harley

03-29-2005 19:11:39




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to Allan in NE, 03-29-2005 14:42:13  
Hey Allan, one year dad planted corn too close to the beans and we had succatash. :-) Harley



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

03-30-2005 06:34:06




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to Harley, 03-29-2005 19:11:39  
LOL!!!


Now THAT'S funny!!

Steve



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

03-29-2005 15:14:52




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 Re: OT; will corn cross pollinate? in reply to Allan in NE, 03-29-2005 14:42:13  
You need several rows in order to get good polination.



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