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Need Help - Rotary Cutter

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Grady in VA

03-28-2005 15:48:22




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Another question since I am so new at this and the folks on this board are so helpful. Need a rotary cutter (we call them bush hogs where I was raised) to cut fields. Priminary straw and corn stakes, briars, some small brush. Will use on 53 hp pto, need 10 to 12' or so unit. Will probably buy from dealer.

Can anyone recommend a brand and suggested price range???




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Gary in Geneva

03-29-2005 13:24:22




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to Grady in VA, 03-28-2005 15:48:22  
I would recommend a slip clutch over a shear bolt. I have had both on the same cutter and can tell you that a PROPERLY adjusted slip clutch is MUCH easer on the gear box, drive line and tractor.

With the shear bolt there would be a noticeable shock to the tractor when I hit something like a stump or big palmetto trunk. With the slip clutch the shock to the tractor and drive line is almost totally eliminated, and I can cut heaver material. I am also not stopping to replace bolts sever times a day – that is worth it right there

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txblu

03-30-2005 05:19:23




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to Gary in Geneva, 03-29-2005 13:24:22  
True true.....secret is as you said "properly adjusted".



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txblu

03-29-2005 05:55:50




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to Grady in VA, 03-28-2005 15:48:22  
Won't recommend a brand as your common sense will direct you at the time of purchase; i.e. well built units look well built.

However, I offer some thoughts.

1. Gearbox is most important. The gears in the gearbox (one at a time) have to transfer the torque to the blade from the tractor and transfer the "shock load" from whatever you're cutting back to the PTO. It takes a beating so you need to get as heavy a one as you can. Even if you are only running 50 hp, a 65 hp or higher would not be wasted money. Replacements are expensive and difficult to find and install.

2. Slip clutch/shear bolt. This is the guy that saves either the driver or driven. It is most important that it work as designed. Problem with slip clutches is getting them adjusted tight enough to not slip when doing what you want but to slip on things that could break something. That's difficult, especially season after season when the plates that contact the disc surfaces like to rust and hence hold harder than you originally planned. A seasonal cleaning and readjustment is really necessary.

A shear bolt needs to also be large enough to retain power yet shear when desired. Size and tensile strength play into that.

3. Stump jumper. If your ground has obstructions, is irregular or has other things that could interfere with the blade turning you should consider a stump jumper. This is a large round disc under or attached to the blades to give you a round surface to slide over whatever, rather than have it open and have the rotating cutter arms whack it as they go by.

4. Area of cutter. The cutting area of a 5' CICVULAR mower is 19.6 sq ft.; a 6' is 28.27 sq ft, an 8' is 50.2 sq ft. Notice the area goes up real fast.

Now if you get a multi-blade mower, like an 8' with 2ea 4' blades, several things happen: (A) the area is now 2x4 ft or 25 square ft (down from 50, which means you get the 8 ft cutting capacity yet only need the PTO hp of a 6 ft cutter.

(B)If 3 pt, your front to rear length drops from about 10+ ft to 5+ ft yet you still get your 8 ft width. This is very nice if you have hilly or terraced land. You get the wide cut yet the mower is short and can follow the terrain much better.

(C) The dead weight is somewhat proportional to area so the weight is probably 40% less.

(D) If drag type, you will need rear wheels that have to be adjusted (mechanically or hydraulically) and both leave something to be desired.....problem is keeping the deck level.

5. 3 pt vs drag. In the larger mowers, weight gets to be a problem and drag usually wins; however, 3 pt is the most versatile and offers quiter, more reliable operation (of the shaft and U joints) as they are always in the line of drive rather being at angles in turns.

6. Bat wing style. Probably the best larger mower in the size you are mentioning would be a 3 section batwing. You have the narrow front to back dimension, yet get the width you need. It flexes at 2 joints so it can follow the terrain much better. The tires are more closely coupled to the respective decks, so leveling is not a problem..... ....only problem is that it is pull type so you need a well braced pto shaft and you need 2 remote hydraulic controls; one for each wing, unless you are going to drop both simultaneously, which is not that bad either depending on your circumstances.

There's more to consider but this is enough for now.

Good luck

Mark

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thurlow

03-29-2005 06:43:44




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to txblu, 03-29-2005 05:55:50  
Hey Mark; RE: area of cutter..... ....not sure I totally agree with your conclusions. In a properly adjusted mower, the front is the only part that does the cutting; think the width of cut is more important than the "area" covered by the blade(s), ..... .will think on this further..... .



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txblu

03-30-2005 05:17:25




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to thurlow, 03-29-2005 06:43:44  
Hi bud,

I'd say yes and no on the frontal cut. On short grass I'd agree, but on 4' stuff (like he mentioned), the whole wad is gummed up in the cutting area till it gets discharged and even then there is/can be some still standing that both front and rear whacks missed. Now some of my cutters were/are mulchers and the rear is blocked which aggrivates the condition, but makes for a nice cut, if you have all day to cut slowly and give it time to chomp chomp. Grin.

The other thing to me is for a single blade unit, anything over 6' is sooooo oo big, and sooooo o heavy if 3 pt.

Later,

Mark

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wolfmantractor

03-28-2005 17:26:13




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to Grady in VA, 03-28-2005 15:48:22  
Have a 6 ft actual Bush Hog brand 3-pt for sale in s.w.Pa. With 53 hp, you likely want no more than 7 ft.-unless you want to crawl.



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aFORDable

03-28-2005 16:23:23




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to Grady in VA, 03-28-2005 15:48:22  
I bought a 10' Bush Hog brand last year for $4500. I pull it with a 66 hp tractor cutting crp fescue. Bush Hogs are well built but there are other good brands also. I'm like the vet, with your hp I'd be careful going bigger than 8ft.



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Ricks41-9n

03-28-2005 16:19:33




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to Grady in VA, 03-28-2005 15:48:22  

I have a Land Pride that I just bought last year. Nice heavy duty gear box. Seems to be a nice unit. Rick



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the tractor vet

03-28-2005 16:07:14




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 Re: Need Help - Rotary Cutter in reply to Grady in VA, 03-28-2005 15:48:22  
If that is all the pony power ya have then stick with nothing bigger then and 8 footer and if ya want a good inexpencive one then may i siguest a International machinery made i Ohio they are heavier then some of the others i use to sell them but i could get a few of the other one but these were better built then a Howes or the standard woods , my one buddy worked for an I H dealer and he kept tellen me how good the woods were and he bought the woods and bought for dealer cost and got it home and i had just got in a load of IMC 's he told me that those things are realy built heavy and what did you say they cost i was 600 buck under his dealer cost for a heavier one and a foot wider.

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