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Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift

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Brian Stambaugh

03-24-2005 19:49:03




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I am looking at a Case 2090 or 2290 for $10000 vs $20000 for a JD 4240 powershift for haying, loader and some farming. The Cases have the 3 speed powershift with 4 speed. All are about 5000 hours and in very good shape. I have never owned a Deere or 90 series Case but both seem real nice with quiet cab. Sales guy says the Case is more "jerky", Deere is smoother operating. Question is, is the full powershift and better resale for the Deere worth that much more? I have heard that Deeres use a little more fuel. I know a lot of farmers that after 40 years of farming went green and swear its worth the cost.

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Bob Clark

03-25-2005 17:44:56




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
Worked for a Case dealer when the 2090 and 2290 series were introduced. Compared to the 2390 and 2590 they were a complete new design in the transmission and rear end, nothing like the 9070,1070,1175 they replaced (20 and 2290 had inboard planetarys). The 23 and 25 series were much like the 13 and 15 series except with the closed center hydraulics. The 20 and 22's were not scaled down 23's in the transmission.

If you buy make sure you have one of the later models or with the upgrade to the pinion shaft. Later versions had the park gear splined to the pinion shaft, early models where keyed and this was an unacceptable design. The keys shear easily and the more wear, the easier they sheard. Since this involved the pinion shaft a major repair to fix correctly.

Didn't stay with Case long enough to get a lot of experience with another problem I have heard about. I understand that there was a major problem with the differential pinions. These were all supposed to be recalled and repaired ( strangely enough the parking gear was not a recall and many were just patched with).

If these issues have been fixed these are excellent tractors though, just need to get iron-clad proof they have been dealt with or that the machine you buy is after the cut-off on the updated versions.

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Brian Stambaugh

03-26-2005 11:26:37




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Bob Clark, 03-25-2005 17:44:56  
I have heard from 2 sources that the 2090 is not so good in close quarters like for inching up to something, slipping the clutch. That would not be so great for me since I load a lot of round bales on a lot of semis. Can anybody confirm that?

Thanks for all the comments!



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george md

03-25-2005 10:56:28




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
Brian,

The 4240 has a weak casting in the rear that supports the PTO shaft where it come thru on the lower left . bearing has 2 snap rings to hold it in place , rear one is held by a very thin casting and is prone to break. When it breaks it fills the rear with powdered iron. The local deere dealer sold 7 of those tractors and I have fixed 6 of them , the other one doesn't get used with high HP load on the PTO .

george

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Can't even use my name

03-25-2005 08:52:42




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
I would go for the Case. We have had at least 15 powershift Cases. Many 1070's a few 1270's and my favorite a 2390. The 90 series are a better tractor cab wise and pretty much everyother way over the 70 series but all are great. We have only had a few major problems with the trannys and only two rearend failures. But keep in mind those engines are torque monsters and often are used on bigger equipment than they should be, leading to rearend and tranny trouble. However, we used them pretty rough and like I said only a few major problems. Hardly more expensive than anyother brand to fix. Shoot anymore it costs at least $2000 to have anything done unless you do it yourself. If the powershift is jerky it may just be out of adjustment and have two clutches momentairly engaged, simple to fix. Sit in that Deere for a while and tell me if you get tired of that cab post right in your line of sight. Imagine doing loader work with that darned thing there. Oh and go for the 2290, has a turbo and will pull so much nicer.

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Bob T.

03-25-2005 08:43:30




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
I know of a local 2290 Powershift that the guy just sunk about $7,000 at the dealer, about the value of the tractor with everything running right. I just saw a nice 2090 Powershift sell at a consignment sale for $7,000, needed $1,000 worth of new tires though. If you don't mind a regular transmission the 2090 can be had with Case's indestructable 8 spd.n Other than the powershifts and rear ends they are a very nice machine, great engine that is very easy on fuel.

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JMB

03-25-2005 08:33:04




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
I did not like the clutch in the 2090 also... it was hydrolic and tended to be very touchy when letting it out. I also know that it was almost impossible for us to use our snowblower on it because the reverse gear was so fast.



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JMB

03-25-2005 08:26:11




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
My grandfather had a 2090 and he also had tranny trouble...It costed his alot of money to get it fixed and now he owns a Deere and will most likely never buy another tractor in his life due to him being 69yrs old. But the point is Green is always better in our case.



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Tom from Ontario

03-25-2005 07:59:02




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
If you go for the Case, make sure(in writing) that the powershift is right. When you get that, memorize the manual and use the powershift as instructed. For instance if you use the powershift for downshifting on the road to slow down, you're gonna be in trouble quick. 2090's were fairly popular around here, but tranny trouble happened often due to people beating on the powershift. Neighbour is Case to the core, and he has one, but still had trouble. I agree with the comment on Soundgard cabs about the centre post.

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New-Gen

03-25-2005 05:12:45




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
If you look beyond initial cost and figure total cost of ownership over the entire time you own it, the Deere will just about always be the most economical to own in the long run, the good dealer network with parts and service support and user friendliness are just added bonuses...



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txblu

03-25-2005 04:32:49




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
I just posted my feelings between the two brands recently. Case was $10k, Deere $17k. Case 130 hp, Deere 100 hp, both cab and air.

Drove the Deere, then the Case (for about 2 seconds)....bought the Deere. Haven't been sorry.

No comparison period. Money is nothing when you spend the rest of your life in a machine. You'll find a way to afford it if it's what you really want.

Mark



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Mark - IN.

03-25-2005 05:50:43




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to txblu, 03-25-2005 04:32:49  
Good morning Mark. You pretty much said it right, make your decision and live with it, hopefully happily too.

Happy easter buddy to you and yours. Gotta head out to work, then the interstate home to mine tonight.

Mark



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txblu

03-27-2005 08:53:05




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Mark - IN., 03-25-2005 05:50:43  
Hi Mark,

I'm alone. Kids are grown and out of town and the wife is with her brother (and wife) recovering from open heart surgery, also out of town, so it's just me (and the cats and dogs) and is quiet here.

Think this afternoon I'll go out in the shop and piddle..... bein it's soggy wet outside and can't play there. Was wet yesterday too and got the bug to clean the house (no not sick ha). With that done I am free.

Happy Easter to you too.

Mark

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buickanddeere

03-24-2005 23:29:30




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
Check the Nebraska tests on both tractors. The 40 and later seieis Deere's have improved cold weather starting and fuel efficiency. As for cost new, the Deeres are competiive with anything out there. Before spending however. Take the time to price a new 6403 or 6603 at Deere. Many years newer, more fuel efficient, M4WD and factory warrenty.



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Hound

03-24-2005 20:11:26




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Brian Stambaugh, 03-24-2005 19:49:03  
..I like the comfort and view out of the case. The resale value of the deere is something to consider though. Hound



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txblu

03-25-2005 04:35:48




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Hound, 03-24-2005 20:11:26  
Funny, my reaction was just the opposite. The soundguard cab was something else.

Guess that's why Ford Chev and Dodge all are in business..... different strokes for different folks.

Mark



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Hound

03-25-2005 04:55:56




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to txblu, 03-25-2005 04:35:48  
....don't get me wrong, I would take the 40 series deere regrettably. why?..resale and great series -its hard to beat the 40-60 series jd's. It would drive me nuts to drive the deere all the time and look straight ahead and have my vision blocked by a cab post and then a muffler, though.

The only question mark around the cases would be the rear-ends..? Aren't they prone to shop-time? I drove a 2090 for a few summers, really liked "sitting up" in the cab and the all around view. Compared to the magnums, the power shift was alot more "jerky" in the cases, if I remember right.

As far as operating costs, I don't know?..opinions everybody has one... Hound

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txblu

03-26-2005 16:14:17




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 Re: Case 2090 vs JD 4240 Powershift in reply to Hound, 03-25-2005 04:55:56  
Hear you but they aren't in the center. They are both on the left of center. Clear view forward to about 10 degrees left; or move your head over to the left about 6" and finish out the field of view.

I bought the tractor and drove it 35 miles home full speed. Gauge hardly moved from full.

Mark



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