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Unleaded gasoline in older tractors

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Eric Stevens

03-14-2005 01:00:15




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I am new and have very little mechanical experience when it comes to tractors and such. I have a Ferguson TO30 from 1952 and am wondering if the unleaded gas will hurt the over all performance or mechanical integrity of the engine. I have read a few postings where carberators were changed and using high octane fuel. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Eric




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dr.sportster

03-14-2005 09:20:34




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Eric Stevens, 03-14-2005 01:00:15  
When the unleaded conflict began I,along with all the car and bike magazines,were against it claiming everyones valves would be slammed to death.Other than a few valves hanging in the guides nothing really happened.Looking back now I think that was one of the best things we ever did to stop poisoning ourselves and making our kids sick.Just my opinion.{That changed upon further reading]



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

03-14-2005 04:48:09




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Eric Stevens, 03-14-2005 01:00:15  
In the early fifties all gasoline was unleaded. They didn't start adding "lead" until Ford and GM needed higher octane for their V8's.



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jdemaris

03-14-2005 07:01:34




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 03-14-2005 04:48:09  
Where did you come up with that information? Leaded gas has been around since the 1920s in this country. In fact, the U.S. Surgeon General denounced it as being dangerous ca. 1922 and tried to get Standard Oil Co. (now Exxon), Dupont, and General Motors to stop promoting it. Tetraethyl lead was found to be a cheap way of raising the octane level in gasoline so higher compression ratios could be used, in the 1920s. There was lots of public attention and headlines complaining about the lead additive being a poison - the dangers were handled in the same way cancer and cigarettes were handled. Many early headlines during the 1920s called high-octane gas with lead "loony gas", that based on reports of fuel processing plant workers getting brain damage from the lead - sort of like hat makers working with mercury (i.e. Mad Hatters). I was a working as a mechanic when unleaded gas was phased out. There was all kinds of hype alleging that the valves and valve guides were going to burn out unless either a lead-additive was used, or the entire valve train was updated. We pulled a lot of heads off and replaced valves, seats, and guides due to the hype. Since that time, I've got several vehicles that have not suffered at all (including a 1968 Dodge Power Wagon, 1949 Ford truck, 1965 Chevelle, 1918 Ford Model T, two Ford Model As, Deere 1010 dozer, 1966 MG, 1969 BSA Rocket III motorcyle, 1970 Triumph Tiger motorcyle, 1959 Royal Enfield Meteor Minor motorcyle, etc.). None have been updated, none have had trouble. My neighbor has a 3020 gas engine Deere tractor he's owned since new. He refused to update his valve train when the unleaded scare came out. He has used that tractor daily since new (late 60s). I recently did the first motor job on it, and did the valves. They showed absolutely no signs of abnormal wear.

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buickanddeere

03-14-2005 04:46:43




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Eric Stevens, 03-14-2005 01:00:15  
The engine will last longer and require less service running 87 unleaded instead of 87 octane leaded. Plugs, ports & ring lands don"t load up with deposites. The oil stays cleaner and lubes better when not contaminated with lead.



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leland

03-14-2005 02:18:31




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Eric Stevens, 03-14-2005 01:00:15  
THEY SAY THE SIMPLE WAY TO AVOID WEAR IS TO MIX 1 CUP OF NON DETERGENT MOTOR OIL IN EACH 5 GALS OF GAS THIS WILL LUBE UPPER END OF MOTOR AND HELP PREVENT WEAR OF VALVE TRAIN.



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Hugh MacKay

03-14-2005 02:03:22




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Eric Stevens, 03-14-2005 01:00:15  
Eric: Even if you work the tractor hard, other parts of your engine will require rebuilding long before the valves, and it will not be from the use of unleaded gas. Because of the low rpm of most tractors, they are quite imune from valve damage due to unleaded gas.

I have Farmalls Super A and 130, been going on unleaded gas since it first came out. By times they have been worked very hard. When farming I had a Farmall 300, worked hard all the time, no ill effects.

Where unleaded gas does it's damage is high rpm, high performance, older engines. You start getting above 2000 rpm, that is where the lead additives will help.

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Eric Stevens

03-14-2005 02:10:31




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-14-2005 02:03:22  
Thank you for the information. Now can you recommend a step through loader for the TO30?



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RAW in IA

03-14-2005 01:03:52




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Eric Stevens, 03-14-2005 01:00:15  
About the only thing unleaded will do is cause more valve seat wear in enginge withuthardened seats and valves, but that is not a problem unless the tractor is used hard day in and out. Occasional use will not damage anything for many years. Alcochol blend fuels may cause damage to some rubber components in older fuel systems.



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Stan - Florida

03-14-2005 05:00:46




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to RAW in IA, 03-14-2005 01:03:52  
RAW,

Are these your initials or is this your last name? I was in the Army with a guy from Britt, Iowa..Bill Raw.

Stan Huff
Melbourne, FL



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Les...fortunate

03-14-2005 04:11:41




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to RAW in IA, 03-14-2005 01:03:52  
This is the best explanation I have ever heard about this topic. Thanks Hugh and RAW.



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lucasss

03-14-2005 05:27:01




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to Les...fortunate, 03-14-2005 04:11:41  
the thing to remembr is that when you rebuild that old gas head, put hard exhaust valve seats in it so it holds up to unleaded.i have also cut a thread inside the top 3/4 of the valve guides with a knurking tool to aid in lubricating them better. lucas



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Eric Stevens

03-14-2005 18:36:41




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 Re: Unleaded gasoline in older tractors in reply to lucasss, 03-14-2005 05:27:01  
Thanks to all that responded. Lots of good informantion. Eric



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