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Ford vs. Cub or A

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swanee

03-05-2005 17:15:06




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I'm looking to get started with a small tractor for light brush mowing, plowing and grading. I'm trying to decide between a Ford 2n, 8n or 9n OR a Cub / Farmall A. I need good advice from the experts!! Also need to keep the price down under $3500... Thanks for the help!!




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Dr. Bert

03-06-2005 12:32:02




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
I agree with Bob. I have used both the Fords and a Farmall A. I would recommend the 8N. They are versatile, user friendly, easily maintained, and retained value very well. A live PTO would be desirable, but would caution you not to let that factor be the most important issue when you make your decision.



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John Horner

03-06-2005 11:39:04




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
I have a Massey Ferguson TO35 which I use for that sort of work and I recommend it highly. Parts availability is still very good, including many low cost aftermarket parts. Six forward speeds gives you plenty of range. Live PTO with engine speed or ground speed selectable PTO is standard. The 3 point hitch with draft control is very sophisticated for it's time.

I have not used the other models spoken about here, but I certainly give a thumbs up to the TO35, and I assume that the similar MF35 which came right after it would be at least as good.

John

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swanee

03-06-2005 09:12:24




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
Thanks to all for the advice. I believe the Ford will suit me best and now I just need to find the right one... This site and you folks are an excellent resource for newbies like myself...
Thanks again!!



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H. Otis

03-06-2005 08:45:57




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
here is another, cheaper, alternative:



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Kevin in OK

03-06-2005 08:16:52




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
I'd steer clear of the little Farmalls for brush hogging, as they don't have quite enough power to get through what you need to mow.

The Ford 8n is a good tractor to brush hog with. It has the power to mow through light brush, it has a standard 3 point hitch, but no live hydraulics, meaning the pto has to turn to run the pump. The other Ns don't have as good gearing, and no position control without aftermarket parts. 8ns are in the $2000-$3000 range, depending on condition.

I'd also recommend the Ford Jubilee and NAA. These are the same tractor, just different years. It has the OHV engine, with a little more power, and is just a little bit bigger. This has live hydraulics, which is powered by the engine.

Another good tractor I'd recommend is the Ford 600 and 601 series. Basically the same as the NAA, but a little less pricey because of less collectibility value. Stay away from the Select-o-Speed unless you are good with transmission repair. The SOS will be on models x7x and x8x.

After that, machines get kinda pricey.

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Paul in Mich

03-06-2005 07:34:38




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
I don"t know how close to the $3500. ceiling you can get, but I would at least consider an IH 300 Utility for the applications you cite. They have a LPTO, which if you have ever ran a bush hog from a tractor without LPTO, you"ll consider a God send. The 300U also has 3 point hitch, and live hydraulics. While they could have been geared a little better, they make fine all around tractors and handle a front loader quite well. Another tractor worth looking at would be an Oliver super 55, although from what I have seen, they seem to be a little pricy, but very comparable to the IH 300U. A Cub or a Farmall A makes a nice belly mower tractor, but arent built for bush hogs.

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Aberdale Farm

03-06-2005 05:14:20




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
I would agree with all posters comments. The Cub will be a bit undersized. The A is a nice tractor, but lacks a 3 pt. hitch. The 8N is a bit nicer than a 9N/2N, especially one with a side mount distributor. (Easier to change points, etc.)

Other models you may want to consider in your search:
Ford NAA Jubilee
Ford 600 or 800 series (look for one with live PTO)
Ford 2000
Massey Ferguson 20 or 30 series
Massey Ferguson 35, or 135
Oliver Super 55, or 550
John Deere 420, or 430 utility
Farmall 300, or 330 utility (these tractors may have a 2 pt. hitch, but can easily be converted to 3 pt hitch.)
Farmall 340 utility

These tractors are all still very useful, with service parts readily available through dealerships and aftermarket sources.

Good luck with your search!

Dale

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RickB

03-06-2005 04:31:37




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
There are better choices within your budget, but among those you are listing, the 8N is my choice. The cub is very low HP, has a non standard PTO and no 3PT. The A has no hydraulics at all, and therefore no hitch. The 8N is preferred over a 2N or 9N for many reasons. Whatever you buy, get something with a standard 3point hitch so implements you buy will fit tractors you buy in the future.



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J. Schwiebert

03-05-2005 18:42:15




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
The Cub is going to be short on power as was mentioned. The advice about the IH diesel was the best advice or it could even be an older IH like a 300 or 350 utility. Purchase what you can get parts and service for without running all over. The little newer utility tractors hold their resale very well. A live PTO no matter if with a dual clutch or a seperate clutch is the way to go.



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mattd

03-05-2005 18:33:01




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
have you thought about getting a ford naa. it came right after the 8n. it has more horsepower, an ohv engine, live hydraulics, and if you are lucky you could find one with live pto. if you are going to bush hog you will need to get an over riding coupler for your pto. this will keep the mower from pushing the tractor forward.

matt



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H. Otis

03-06-2005 07:15:37




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 Jubilee ... in reply to mattd, 03-05-2005 18:33:01  
That's what I suggest, too. I have a 1953 Jubilee (aka an NAA). I bought it for under just $3500. It has a little more power than an 8N ...

I use it to mow my orchard, keep the driveway clear in winter and to pull cordwood out of the woods. Nice, tractor. I like it a lot.



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Bob

03-05-2005 17:49:54




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
The Ford or even the "A" will have about twice the HP of the little Cub.

Certainly live hydraulics and a live PTO are wonderfull features, but the older tractors are still capable of a lot of work if you are willing to work around their limitations.

There is no need to worry about a rotary cutter pushing you around if you have an ORC (over running clutch) installed on the PTO shaft.

The 3-point hitch on the Ford "N"'s makes it easy to connect to a variety of attachments.

The 8N has several advantages over the older 9N and 2N, notably position control on the three-point hitch, and a 4-speed transmission versus the 3-speed on the 9N and 2N.

I have an 8N, as well as another tractor I'd recommend, an IH 424 diesel. It has nearly 40 HP, live PTO and hydraulics, differential lock, and power steering. The width and wheelbase are close to a Ford "N"'s, but it has WAY MORE power plus the other features I just mentioned. They are a little tough to find, but you should be able to pick one up in the $3000.00 to $4000.00 price range. (They were built in gas versions as well. Power steering an live PTO were options, so not all units will have those features.)

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

03-05-2005 17:27:41




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:15:06  
Get a tractor with live P.T.O. The old-style P.T.O. turns a bush hog into a massive fly wheel and the tractor's back wheels won't stop turning when you want them to. This produces dangerous mishaps.

As well, the older tractors had their gear selections designed to compete with draught horses. A tractor like a Ferguson TEA20 is too fast for safe bush-hogging in rough or unfamiliar territory: to keep enough power to the P.T.O. you must maintain a sometimes hair-raising ground speed. Remember, it's not uncommon to encounter 7' high orchard grass when mowing and you can't see upcoming obstructions. A collision with a stump sprained my casting wrist and I missed a month of bass fishing as a result. The flywheel effect once put my Fergie on top of a large boulder, necessitating several hours work with a hydraulic jack to rescue it. Apparently there is an add-on ratchet-device to eliminate the flywheel effect, but what newbie knows about things like that?

I may not be an expert, but I was injured and frightened enough over two summers with a Fergie to buy a slightly more modern tractor with low range and live P.T.O.: a Massey Ferguson 35. It works great, for only a little more money.

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Dave 2N

03-06-2005 07:37:58




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 03-05-2005 17:27:41  
An overrunning clutch takes care of that issue; I hog with a Ford 2N, a Farmall Super C and a John Deere A. An ORC eliminates those problems.

My .$02 on this issue is a Ford N or larger (like an NAA. They are simple, well-designed and parts are plentiful at any New Holland Dealer.



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H. Otis

03-06-2005 07:09:13




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 Get an ORC ... easy. in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 03-05-2005 17:27:41  
PTO problem can be easily solved with an Over Riding Coupler (aka an ORC).

I've seen them sell for as little as $35.

It is an essential safety device.



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Bret4207

03-06-2005 04:55:02




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 03-05-2005 17:27:41  
Rod- If my wrist was sprained that bad I'd use a cane pole!!!! Miss bass fishing indeed sir. I'm near Ogdensburg NY and you and I both know summer just doesn't last long enough to miss ANY fishing!



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edchainsaw

03-05-2005 20:15:14




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 03-05-2005 17:27:41  
heard an add on the radio for a 8n that runs good for sale.

812-495-6360
$650... if it were not a ford I would have called since its one of my neighbors..



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Bigdog

03-05-2005 18:16:47




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 03-05-2005 17:27:41  
One of the first things I learned as a kid on the farm back in the 50's was how to quickly clutch the tractor and slip the transmission into neutral when stopping a tractor while operating pto driven implements. This allowed your implement to clear out whatever was in it and the tractor was not pushed by the implement since the transmission was in neutral. It's a simple thing to learn and it works. It even becomes second nature after a while.

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Bob

03-05-2005 18:31:13




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to Bigdog, 03-05-2005 18:16:47  
Been there, done that, BG, and it always worked until one day I wasn't quick enough, and the bucket on the 8N's FEL was pushed through the polebarn wall before I could pop the tranny out of gear. If the ground is soft, or the powertrain is otherwise loaded, it can be difficult to slip the tranny out of gear.

I went out and bought an ORC, and installed it before using the rotary cutter again.

There's always that one time you're not quick enough, or perhaps someone else will hop on someday, with no experience, and have a wreck. There's no reason NOT to have an ORC. A guy can still be "macho" and have an ORC! (Lately, I have even begun to wear eye protection while mowing!)

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jc

03-05-2005 19:00:56




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 Re: Ford vs. Cub or A in reply to Bob, 03-05-2005 18:31:13  
I've been using hearing protection last couple years. But not as soon as I should have.



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