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pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup

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DaveH IA

03-04-2005 21:27:03




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I"m going to head west from Des Moines to Lincoln Neb south on 77 to Fort Rily KS-with a one ton pulling 30 Ft 24,000 lb trailer with an 8N ford on it---trade the ford for a 52 A and bring home our Bravada that lost reverse and high gear last week when we went to pick up our soldier returning from Iraq---What do you guys do about weigh-stations? drive by?? I"ll weigh about 22,000--don"t know what the law is in Neb or Ks-but I don"t see any weighing in Ia

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Leroy

03-06-2005 08:13:17




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
Where do you guys find this information about trailer weight for pickup trucks? I have 3 trucks, a 1970 GMC 1/2 ton, a 1974 Chevy 1/2 ton and a 86 Ford F 250 and none of them on any lable in the trucks or in owners manuals or shop manuals does it give a trailer weight. And here pickups are not licened for weight, all farn trucks are licened as non commerciai the same as if you lived in an apartment in town and just drove to work with it, now if you are in business with the truck then it is licened acording to empty weight of truck same as a trailer

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John in WV

03-06-2005 11:05:46




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to Leroy, 03-06-2005 08:13:17  
You can find the information at your local truck dealership. In the litature, it states the GVWR and GCVWR rating for the truck. It is the same no matter what year of the vehicle.
Farm excemption is different from state to state, and the mileage into that state. Most states honor the surrounding states regs, but crossing state lines involve Federal DOT regulations no matter what. Hauling a tractor to a tractor pull is not legal using farm tags, in state or out of state. If I can help in any way, using my experience, call 304-358-2533 evenings.

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Leroy

03-06-2005 14:46:51




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to John in WV, 03-06-2005 11:05:46  
The tags I have are not farm tags they are the same as anyone in the city would have unless they were in a comercial business, and are for everyday use for anything. There is no mention of a GCVWR in the book, only GVWR and GAWR for front and rear axles and that information is only on the sticker and the sample sticker in the book spots for total, front axle and rear axle



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John in WV

03-06-2005 15:08:49




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to Leroy, 03-06-2005 14:46:51  
The license on a pickup is for the truck itself, if you are going to pull a trailer you need to license it heavier according to the truck and trailer combination.
This info is not in the old operators manual.
Go to the nearest dealership and get info on the vehicle you have, one half ton, three quarter ton or whatever you have, and get the rating, it does not matter what year it is.
Example: If you have a 1979 F250 and you want to pull a trailer, a four ton trailer is what you need.

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Davis In SC

03-05-2005 21:49:55




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
I could never get by with it..... . But I know of a guy that hauls huge loads with a dually & a 32 ft goosneck. He said he has scaled as much as 38 thousand, with no CDL, but plays dumb & they let him by. He told me they key was to always wear overalls..... . LOL



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buickanddeere

03-06-2005 13:21:28




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to Davis In SC, 03-05-2005 21:49:55  
And to think we drive on the highways with our families. Where somebody with a dualy pickup and a 32ft trailer hauls up to 38,000lbs!!!



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DaveH IA

03-05-2005 19:42:44




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
Thanks to all---- think I'll sleep all day and drive all nite maybe they won't see me



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George S. in the real NY

03-05-2005 17:58:46




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
I'd like to add one thing to Rustyfarmalls comment, make sure you have the breakaway trailer brake equipment installed, working and the hook up visiable to Mr. Bear. Had a Cal CHP give me a real hard look one time and I guess the 12 volt battery in the trailer tonge and cable to the switch convinced him that I had some idea of what I was doing. Little did he know that the whole rig 3/4 ton PU and trailer weighed 13500.# I was told that the safety brake is necessary in NY if the trailer Gross weight is over 10000#. Probably vaires in other places.

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swanee

03-05-2005 17:22:51




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
If you are not "in commerce" the FMCSA's don't apply... Generally a one ton with that trailer doen't require much other than a valid DL. I would watch the signs in each state prior to the scales and if they say CMV's must stop... you should since you are over 10,000#. Give me an email if you have more specific q's...



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john in WV

03-05-2005 12:04:43




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
A one ton duel wheel pickup GCVWR is 20,000 lb.
A one ton single wheel pickup GCVWR is 18,000 lb
A three quarter ton pickup GCVWR is 16,000lb
GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating)
Truck, trailer and load.
Legally a ton duel wheel truck cannot pull over a five ton trailer.



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john r in wv

03-05-2005 11:56:17




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
A one ton duel wheel, GCVWR is 20,000 pounds.
A one ton single wheel, GCVWR is 18,000 pounds.
A three quarter ton, GCVWR is 16,000 pounds.
GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating) is truck, trailer and load.
A one ton truck cannot pull over a 5 ton trailer legally. The trailer weight cannot exceed the truck title weight.



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buickanddeere

03-05-2005 09:15:00




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
What does GM rate that truck's max gross weight for truck,trailer and load(s) combined. I suspect you are going to be heavy,



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DaveH IA

03-05-2005 09:21:49




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to buickanddeere, 03-05-2005 09:15:00  
She's an 88 4 door 1 ton and I can't read the door post any more(faded) I may have bought too much trailer--but got a good deal on it used--- could trade someday or buy a bigger truck



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DaveH IA

03-05-2005 09:47:56




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-05-2005 09:21:49  
oops-- 2wd dually 88 Chevy 4 door 1 ton 454 4sp manual trans



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RustyFarmall

03-05-2005 07:54:18




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
DaveH, you have so far recieved just about every answer possible to your question, so I will throw in my 2 cents also. I live in Iowa, I have been an over the road trucker, and I currently do some hauling with my one ton and 14,000# trailer. With the rig you are driving, you are legally obligated to stop at the weigh stations, but with the 8n ford, which you own, they will not give you any trouble. The one thing they might check is the weight you are licensed to carry. My dually is licensed for 10 tons, which could be easily exceeded even with my lighter trailer. If you choose to not pull into the weigh station, they probably will not come after you. Nebraska does require all pickups with trailers to stop, but again, I doubt if they will give you any trouble. Kansas, pretty much the same. Coming back with a John Deere A will be pretty much the same story. The Bravada on the trailer with the A might raise some eyebrows. Be sure you have the registration for the bravada with you to prove that it is yours. All in all, You could probably just breeze right on past all of the weigh stations and never have problems. One thing I will strongly caution you on, be sure what ever is on the trailer is tied down vey well, use good chains and binders or heavy duty tie down straps. preferably chains and binders on the tractors. A poorly secured load will get the attention of the DOT and highway patrol quicker than anything else you may be doing wrong.

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Mark - IN.

03-06-2005 06:53:58




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-05-2005 07:54:18  
Good morning Rusty.

All the talk about this brings two things to mind. The guy that I bought this place from, a retired trucker with emphzema pulled out of here (Bristol, IN) in a caravan of vehicles and trailers that should never have been on the road headed to their new home in Florida. Ive got a couple of pictures here showing my old AC B (Mark Krzyzanowski's mower), and one of them is my lab by the rear of his trailer as he was gettin ready to pull out. That tractor (Chevy Astro, not GMC Atsro) hasn't been made in at least 20 years, and that trailer (absolutely overloaded to the gill) sat on the property for years, broken and dry rotting. Pieces of junk. He drove it there with no CDL (retired before CDLs), and made it, sneaking over a 3 day period. Said had to replace 5 tires on the way on that unsafe piece of junk alone. The small block chevy engine that he put in the '80s ford 1/2 ton gave out pulling a 20 foot enclosed Wells Cargo 2 axled trailer, which lost 2 tires and brakes itself carrying a '40 something Dodge, and other stuff for who ever was driving it. Those are just some of the things in that 5 vehicle caravan of unsafe misfits that pulled out of here that will drive the troopers nuts, and for good reason.

When I put up my new barn, tried to grade it myself with a back blade on one of my tractors. Didn't work, or I just aint good at it. So had a guy come in and do it with a dozer for $65 an hour (was cheap). He, a former amish guy, brought in a Case dozer on the back of a 20' goose neck that gave his 3/4 ton Ford the working over of it's lifetime. He sneaked in here on back roads from 2 counties over, did the job, then asked me directions for some different, less travelled back roads so he could sneak it back home. Real nice guy though.

Mark.

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DaveH IA

03-05-2005 08:42:49




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to RustyFarmall, 03-05-2005 07:54:18  
Does the licence on the truck have to cover total weight or just the weight on the truck with the hitch weight?



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john in la

03-05-2005 10:37:42




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-05-2005 08:42:49  
The license plate for the truck has to cover the total weight of every thing. The truck; trailer; cargo; everything.

Its gets real tricky because every state has its own rules and even if it has a rule it may or may not be enforced.

Such as my state..... Our law reads every thing one ton and above must stop at a scale. The rule is not enforced though with all the people buying one ton pickups lately. A lot of states set it as commercial has to stop. This is why you can often see large U-Haul trucks blow by the scales without a second thought. But on the other hand I have seen the weight masters chase down a 1/2 ton pickup that was obviously over weight. Our state allows 650 lbs per inch of tire.

As long as your tag is current and of the correct size and you can prove you own everything truck; trailer; load; I would stop. It only takes a few seconds and most times they will just flag you on. May save you the displeasure of making them mad and being chased down. Now if you get over 26,000 lbs that would be a different ball game.

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willie j

03-05-2005 06:22:25




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
Dave
Not meant to scare you, but there is a lot involved.
If in doubt, first step is to call ahead to each state agency. Second step is to read the sign approaching weigh station. It will state "all trucks over x000# enter. Some states say 6000, some 8000, some 12000. That's gross weight. If I remember correctly, Neb says all pickups with trailers. Also check the truck weight rating, that includes tire rating. Example, the book on my GMC limits trailer gross load at 15000#, with 454 engine, dual wheels & 5th wheel hitch required. If loaded over the ratings, you have 2 choices, reduce the load or get a bigger truck before you move.
In case of accident, even if the other guy does something stupid, you can be subject to complete inspection, all defects repaired before moving. This doesn't always happen, but it can. I have seen big rigs "red tagged" at weigh stations getting a complete brake job.
Do you have "farm" plates on truck? In some states they are not valid more than 50 or 100 miles from home, & not valid if crossing state lines. In Minn "farm" plates only valid for farm use, picking up supplies in town or hauling farm products to market. Technically, picking up a loaf of bread or can of beans from the store is not permitted, but usually not stopped for this.

Willie J (deisel pilot retired & former licensed peace officer)

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Ted Yenter

03-05-2005 03:41:09




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
Just got back week before last Oklahoma to Montana picking up my "new" Cat D-4. 3/4 ton Ford with 26' 4 axle gooseneck grossing 26,660 lb.(to many 6's in that one). Stopped at all ports and was waved on through,except Nebraska where he did a light check,probably because it was a nice day.

Did get pulled over in Wy. by a DOT trooper but when he saw I was from Oklahoma, where we don't tag trailers,all was fine. Super nice guy too, collects Mustangs.

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kraigWy

03-04-2005 22:05:38




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
I have a ford 1 ton psd I pull a 24 ft flat bed, hauling all over, Kansas included. I have farm stickers on the truck and trailer, I only haul my stuff, not for hire. Never stopped and never had a problem.



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Mark - IN.

03-04-2005 21:55:40




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
Best thing you can do Dave is call the highway patrol. No guessing that way.

I was doing a phone repair in a State Police Barracks one time when got a frantic call from a trucker that was hauling something big from Iowa to Indiana, and got pulled over. His problem, whatever it was, was so big that needed an escort, and called ahead. He arranged an escort by calling the nearest SOI Police Barracks to Iowa, and arranged it. But what they didn't bother telling him, and he certainly didn't know was that "HE" needed to call and arrange escorts in all in each District that he passed through. Sure enough, got to the Illinois line from Iowa on I80, and got his escort as planned. They escorted him to the end of their District and dropped off, and he kept going until got pulled over for not having an escort, and they stopped him dead in his tracks until arranged one. Was a frantic call to where I was working. All I could think at the time was, poor guy tried to do the right thing and no one bothered to even offer a helpful hint or tip. It wasn't as though they didn't know what he was doing when he arranged it, right? Holy cow.

Mark

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Jason - Senoia, GA

03-04-2005 21:37:54




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to DaveH IA, 03-04-2005 21:27:03  
I don't know how it works in your state, but in the South, I never see private non-commercial trucks stopping at weigh stations. I recently hauled a New Holland TN75 and a car together on my gooseneck trailer across NC and GA and had no problems.



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barryinmn

03-04-2005 22:05:08




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to Jason - Senoia, GA, 03-04-2005 21:37:54  
IA has weigh stations for everything over 8000 lbs. Whenever I pulled a trailer with my 1 ton dually dump they waved me through. Sounds like you have a over 10K trailer so be sure you have your DOT medical & DOT safety inspection sticker on each gvw over 10K!!



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swanee

03-05-2005 17:37:28




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to barryinmn, 03-04-2005 22:05:08  
The med and annual don't apply unless he's in commerce... if its a hobby or personal use, he won't need them.



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barryinmn

03-06-2005 11:52:10




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to swanee, 03-05-2005 17:37:28  
Here in MN they have a catchall tax deduction of expenses clause that will get you!Link

Happy>Link trucking!!



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swanee

03-06-2005 19:43:08




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to barryinmn, 03-06-2005 11:52:10  
Part 390.3(f)(3) clearly exempts "the occasional transportation of personal property by individuals not for compensation nor in the furtherance of a commercial enterprise'... The reference you cite was meant to deal with sponsored race drivers and the like who try to claim they are not making $$.



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RustyFarmall

03-05-2005 07:31:34




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 Re: pulling a trailer with a one ton pickup in reply to barryinmn, 03-04-2005 22:05:08  
Barry, it is 6,000# not 8,000#.



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