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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 10:54:48




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Hi,

I asked this over on the Farmall board and ended up in a screamin' match with a heck of a lot of rock throwin'.

Can anyone put up a picture of a 686D, with the German 310, showing the way the original tool box mounted?

Thanks in advance if you can help,

Allan




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Leroy

02-25-2005 13:11:45




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
ALL Allen asked for was a picture. IF YOU HAVE NONE YOU CAN GIVE HIM AND CANNOT ACT DECENT<<< NO NOT POST, sorry I do not know what that model tractor is.



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buickanddeere

02-24-2005 15:26:29




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
Looks like a low profile model to me. A Deere 310? They were an early 1960's machine that wasn't exported to North America like the 510 & 710.



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Hugh MacKay

02-24-2005 15:24:20




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
Allan: Dave is right, can it and answer my damn e mail. You were the one craping about doing dirty laundry in public.



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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 15:36:02




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-24-2005 15:24:20  
Hugh,

Am I the only stupid SOB that has bought one of these cross-bred IH outfits?

If the darned thing didn't run so good and pull so hard, I would be sorry I ever laid eyes on it. I think I need a good 766D.

Disgruntled IH owner in NE



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Hugh MacKay

02-24-2005 15:58:14




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 15:36:02  
Allan: Catch onto yourself, lots of folks bought those German diesels. They don't have the torque, their American counterparts do. Their smoke is annoying. However they wear well and have good fuel efficiency. Personally I was fortunate enough to never have an IH German diesel. I just never happened to be in the market for a tractor while IH was using these engines.

I understand from neighbors, IH was less than up front on the source of these engines in American built row crop tractors. The IH dealer in my area sold a few 886 with 360 American diesels. Those few sold a whole lot more for him. But the whole lot more came with the 358 German diesel. That incident he claims hurt his business more than 560 rear ends, fast hitch, cavitation. All those many farms that had 886 tractors are now running Green ones. They are probably German too.

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billonthefarm

02-24-2005 16:31:10




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-24-2005 15:58:14  
Hugh I really dont know why you have such a poor opinion of the german diesel engines. We had a 706 and 826 and over a couple of decades and many many hours never did anything more serious than pull the injectors and have them checked. These tractors were never primary tillage tractors but did alot of light work like planting and chore work. The 706 was bought by a neighbor when we traded it off and he is still using it today. We had the D282 motor in a 560 and a 715 combine and really felt the german diesel was a big improvment. The combine got a overhaul and the 560 should have. Traded the 706 for a 1466 and the 826 for a 1086 and there was nothing wrong with either tractor just needed more power. I am sure the 360 engine was better but compared to deeres engines the german diesel was not bad. Talk about no torque, jump in a 4630 or 4640 sometime. We just never had any trouble with those german diesels and around here they were know to be very reliable and economical.

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Hugh MacKay

02-24-2005 17:57:12




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to billonthefarm, 02-24-2005 16:31:10  
billionth farm where ever you are: What most Americans don't realize is just how luckey they were to have the Boston Tea party and then 13 colonies broke away from the British crown, to become the USA. Truth is for most of our families who came to North America 300 years ago, our forefathers were all ecaping opression in Europe.

Since that time the Canadian govt just cant make up their mind whether they want to trade with Americans or Europeans. About every 10 to 50 years they flop one way then the other. In the 1950s they decided Europe was the trading partner of choice. Man did we ever get a belly full of European tractors, most of them not climatized for starting in cold weather. This was particularly true in Eastern Canada. You could actually buy two 60 hp European tractors for the price of a 560 diesel. Now it took the two of them to do the work of a 560, but banker didn't know that so unless you were operating with your own money, you bought European tractors. I often wondered if those bankers went out on cold mornings to tow start those tractors

Two things about those first European tractors; they were not climatized for our winters, and secondly were designed for a higher grade of diesel fuel than we used in North America. These tractors left eastern Canadian farmers with quite a sour taste for European tractors. Probably took more than a generation to loose that.

Those 886 that I spoke of, most were bought by 50 cow dairy farms to do forage harvester duty. They wanted torque of the 360 rather than economy of the 358. IH dealer lost his livelyhood, and today there is not even an CaseIH dealer in the area. Yes you can talk all the items that caused the IH downfall but in our area those German diesels were the final straw.

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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 17:23:24




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to billonthefarm, 02-24-2005 16:31:10  
Hi Bill,

I dunno, I guess the darned things are good enough engines. Fact is, the 310 reminds me of the 360 in a lot of ways, in the sound and the way it pulls.

But the black smoke, lower compression and the pump pressure still smacks of that 282D at the same time.

The last John Deere I was around was a 5020, so really can't voice an opinion on the comparison between the two makes.

Allan

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Indydirtfarmer

02-24-2005 16:57:24




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to billonthefarm, 02-24-2005 16:31:10  
A good story up until the part where you claimed the 4640 didn't have any torque..... Then you lost ALL credibility. THAT was a real tractor. They're still in BIG demand today. The 4630 was a completely different animal (404 cu.in vs. 466 cu. in. The 466 Deere is one of the best diesels EVER on ANY brand of tractor)



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billonthefarm

02-24-2005 18:21:13




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 02-24-2005 16:57:24  
Hi indy. Our neighbor has deere and we have red tractors so we have drove each others tractors. I shouldnt genrealize so much I suppose. He has had 4630-4640-4650 and I really didnt notice much difference between the 30 and 40. They were much nicer to drive than our 66-86 series tractors but they just didnt seem as peppy as I thought they should have been. I know he had alot of weight on that 40 maybe that was the problem. His 4650 was mfwd and powershift and it got right out and went. I still prefer our magnums over his 8000 series tractors but I'm not sure about cases mx tractors just yet. It is fact that a 4640 is worth alot more than its red counterpart and that says something for the tractor.

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Indydirtfarmer

02-25-2005 03:37:40




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to billonthefarm, 02-24-2005 18:21:13  
There is NO direct link between the 4630 and the 4640. The 4630 was SIMULAR, but not the same as the 4620, but when the 40 series was introduced, the 4640/4840 were wide-framed tractors, designed new from the ground up. They both sported the 466 turbo/intercooled engines. They are still much sought after for "field tractors". The 4630 wasn't a stump puller, even with it's 150 HP, because of the 404's relatively limited low end grunt. The 4640 was an "Iron Horse" of another color. Introduced as "The Iron Horses", the 40 series brought a completely new chassis, engine, and SIZE/weight to the table. The chassis saw developement from the 40, 50, 55, and through the 60 series. (I have a 4955...It is a "hoss")

No one that's ever seriously used one of the wide-framed Deere's will knock their performance. All in all, as good, if not the BEST big tractors EVER built.

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billonthefarm

02-25-2005 06:20:45




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 02-25-2005 03:37:40  
Hi Indy. Well we are going just going to have to disagree. I do believe the deere tractors are in demand and have no real problems. I have a freiend with a 4555 and really likes it and has good luck with it. I sneak over and put IH stickers on the back window and tease him about looking around the stacks and he gives me a hard time about the rattle and bang noises that come out of my transmission and trading for a ford. I like my magnum tractors and you guys like your deeres. I guess were both right. I got to go put some wax on my shiny red tractors.

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Indydirtfarmer

02-25-2005 06:27:00




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to billonthefarm, 02-25-2005 06:20:45  
Well, swing by and put a coat of wax on Allans "Parade Queens" while yer at it!



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Allan in NE

02-25-2005 06:39:58




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 02-25-2005 06:27:00  
Oh for Gawd's sake!!

If there is one thing I hate in this world, it is a parade.

Well, maybe those silly tractor pulls & rodeos. Now, there's a total waste of the human condition. :>)

Allan



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thurlow

02-24-2005 18:17:56




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 02-24-2005 16:57:24  
Totally agree, personally don't think there was anything wrong with the 404..... as long as they didn't try to wring more than about 115 hp out of it..... .



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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 17:34:10




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 02-24-2005 16:57:24  
John,

Well, out here where the real farms are..... ..... .Whoops! Wrong thread. :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 16:29:52




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-24-2005 15:58:14  
I know.

I'm just venting my frustration with my own ignorance over this silly tractor.

Without going into detail, I've got this machine totally rebuilt, totally "correct" in every single way and in every imaginable aspect down until I tied into this unforgiving item of mounting this 20 cent tool box.

I just wanted to mount it in the right spot is all.

Allan



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paul

02-24-2005 12:13:22




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
I'd just bolt it on with bolts.

--->Paul



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Indydirtfarmer

02-24-2005 12:08:45




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 Fingernails on a chalkboard...... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
Allan, You sure do know how to stir 'em up, bud!

I'm tryin' real hard to be the "kinder/gentler" 'dirtfarmer these days. Seems I have that knack to incite riots too.

But for whatever it's worth, after reading all the evidence, you didn't do anything to be apologizing for. Let's let it go at that, shall we.

Good luck, and don't let the world get you down.
John



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Dave H (MI)

02-24-2005 11:46:56




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 Oh brother..... in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
Are you still carrying on about that little incident with Hugh McKay? Man, can some people hold a grudge! Nice tractor, by the way.



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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 11:50:42




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 Re: Oh brother..... in reply to Dave H (MI), 02-24-2005 11:46:56  
Hi Dave,

I'm looking for a picture of a Row Crop IH 686D, equipped with a German 310, showing the original mounting of the factory tool box.

Allan



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RustyFarmall

02-24-2005 11:33:09




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
third party image

I found it!!! Well, maybe not.



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farmweld

02-24-2005 12:08:00




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-24-2005 11:33:09  
boy, that redefines the definition of "rusty farmall" allthough it is a case.



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RustyFarmall

02-24-2005 12:47:26




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to farmweld, 02-24-2005 12:08:00  
Case?? As in "basket case"? I suppose you might be right if you are using that defination, but that picture is of a very crispy IH 786. Anyhow that's what the salvage yard is calling it.



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thurlow

02-24-2005 12:32:13




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to farmweld, 02-24-2005 12:08:00  
It's a What????? ?



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Indydirtfarmer

02-24-2005 12:03:10




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-24-2005 11:33:09  
I thought I ordered mine medium rare..... That looks well done to me.



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Mike M

02-24-2005 11:20:02




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
You two must be stirring up lots of trouble everywhere ? LOL I can't find that old post I was wanting some good reading this afternoon,did Kim delete it ? I can identify that yellow thingy in the middle of your shop picture---I just am not liscened to operate one.LOL



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thurlow

02-24-2005 15:06:10




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Mike M, 02-24-2005 11:20:02  
Hey Mike; it's still there.....on page 4. I didn't even know there was a Farmall board 'til Dave drug me over there about this. Did the Farmall board just get going? I had heard..... or dreamed (nightmare?)..... that some tractors were red, but have never seen any????? Have seen pictures, but thought someone was just being cute with photoshop or something. When I learned to plow, my "tractors" were named Pat and MIke..... .cumulative 2 horse (mule) power.

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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 11:22:55




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Mike M, 02-24-2005 11:20:02  
Hi Mike,

You don't wanna see it; I hope she did delete it. I asked what I thought was a simple question and all he!! broke loose. :>(

Nobody's fault, it just happened.

Allan



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Mike M

02-24-2005 12:52:25




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 11:22:55  
Ya it is easy to start a riot here sometimes isn't it . I've lit the fuse on some of those hot heads myself. LOL



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RustyFarmall

02-24-2005 11:16:04




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to Allan in NE, 02-24-2005 10:54:48  
If I had a picture I certainly would share it with you. Now you have me scratchin' my head wonderin' where I might find that pic. I would go over to Red Power Mag. but the forum won't let me in any more. I'll keep scratchin'



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Allan in NE

02-24-2005 11:20:01




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 Re: Any Better Luck Here? in reply to RustyFarmall, 02-24-2005 11:16:04  
Hi Rusty,

They've changed the format over there and it is a totally new game. You have to completely re-register to get in now.

Mostly crawler stuff going on over there.

Thanks,

Allan



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