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Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator?

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pbutler

01-29-2005 18:17:43




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I am a 2nd year farmer still getting my equipment, I plan to be primarily no-till. However I do have some ground that is a little rough with ruts from harvest last year, etc. for corn and will need to be worked before planting this spring.

I am planning to disk it once and field cultivate once-or twice if necessary. I have a 20ft disk and a 13ft IH Vibra Shank field cultivator. I only have 2 tractors, a John Deere 4630 and a Massey 255. No more equipment is in the budget this year-and since I am going no-till I haven't put a great emphasis on implements. That 4630 is way too big and I hate to put that much compaction on the field-but will if I have to.

My question is do you fellas think that 255 will pull the 13ft field cultivator? It has a good running engine and seems to pull strong while running the mower last year.

For reference follow the link at the bottom for the items in question. (Scroll about 1/2 way down to see the massey and the field cultivator)

Any input would be much appreciated.

Paul Butler

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nwb

01-30-2005 17:17:06




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
Paul, I farm HEL ground. I'm not allowed to work HEL ground and stay in the farm program. I can level ruts with permission. In corn stalks you need a disc to cut them. Disc enough to fill the ruts and plant. You'll never get a field cultivator through anyway. If you are following beans you can usually get a field cultivator through in the spring. Go lightly. Don't go deep. Never turn up mud ribbons. Fill your ruts and plant. In this manner you can pull your cultivator with your 255. One of the first rules of no-till is do not rut your fields in the fall. Be patient and wait for the weather. Wheat stubble is the hardest. It is very difficult to no-till into wheat stubble. I mow the stubble and then I can get a chisel plow through it. Then I field cultivate lightly once in the spring and plant. This leave enough suface residue to cooperate with the program. No-till has special challenges. From time to time you'll need to work ground and level it. But, if you can patch work ruts or washes, you can keep the benefits of no-till and save time and money. Good luck.

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pbutler

01-30-2005 18:03:55




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to nwb, 01-30-2005 17:17:06  
Leveling ruts is exactly all I am trying to do-so your advice is well taken. It is in ground that was in beans last year so I think it will work fine.

I would of course have chosen to not have ruts but we had a VERY wet fall in central, IL. My beans were full season and were some of the last harvested-and if we didn't get them when we did it would have been wait until Dec when it froze. Almost no fall tillage done by anyone in our area.

Thanks

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leland

01-30-2005 16:55:33




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
As cheap as they go for at sales you could pick up a 20-25 footer and use the 46 and not wear out the massey as fast pulling it's guts out.



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Just thinking

01-30-2005 09:18:53




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
We plant 60-70 acres a day with a 6 row no till behind a 60 Horse Power Ford. However we like to work ground once with a field cultivator in the spring (wheat stubble.) You did not say what kind of shovels you have on the field cultivator We have 2 a regular one and one with Danish tines. Where are you located/



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pbutler

01-30-2005 11:08:30




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to Just thinking, 01-30-2005 09:18:53  
Standard 4" sweeps like I have seen on most vibra-shank, not danish tine. I am in Central, IL, about 10 miles south of Decatur.



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VADAVE

01-30-2005 04:49:08




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
So Paul looked at your pictures--NEAT. Added that to favorites.
If you have a 4400 with 4 row head and are looking for a 6 row for the 7700 what are you doing for a corn planter? A 12 row? I'm assuming you'll keep the 4400 and put Alice in it, nice when the wife wants to help, you'll need a 12 row to get the two heads to match up.



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pbutler

01-30-2005 06:44:44




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to VADAVE, 01-30-2005 04:49:08  
Thanks Dave. I don't have a planter yet-so having a friend plant with 16-row. Darn no-till planters are pretty expensive so I am probably 2 years away or more from getting one. The 4-row older combine will only be used in case of the big one being out of service so I will probably just look at a 6-row.

Was looking at a splitter to do 15" row beans but with soybean rust issues may just reconsider and go ahead and get a 12-row 30". Will see what happens this year.

The guy who does my planting ran a 16-row planter this year and a 12-row corn head-said it worked out ok.

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VADAVE

01-30-2005 15:11:28




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-30-2005 06:44:44  
6 row oe 12 row headers only work with 16 row planters if the tractor driver is good enough to also get the return pass exactly right. Chances are you are going to knock down some of first 2 rows then 4 then 6 then 4 then 2 and repeat.



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VADAVE

01-30-2005 04:31:39




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
I think if you can pull the disc you can pull the cultivator. If you have duals on the 4630 the compaction isn't bad and the traction is better.
Just quick comparision. I can pull a 13 foot disc and a 15 foot rooling harrow together with a 1855 Oliver (100hp) without duals but it all she wants. Duals would improve the situation.



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Bill(Wis)

01-30-2005 02:19:13




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
I'm about ready to order a field cultivator. Mfg recommends tractor PTO horsepower between 4 and 7 HP per foot of working width.



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Hugh MacKay

01-29-2005 21:13:56




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
pbutler: I think thurlow's estimate of 5hp per foot is quite accurate, and will probably hold true in what you are doing.

Vibra shanks can be a mean pull. We used them a lot in my area getting ready for mechanical rock picking, thus you wanted as many rocks as possible loose and on surface. At 6 to 9 inches a 13 foot model does have the ability to stop a 70 hp tractor. We only traveled about 3.5 mph loosening rocks, much faster at that depth and you started breaking shanks.

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pbutler

01-30-2005 06:46:31




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-29-2005 21:13:56  
My 255 only has about 55hp so I may be out of luck-will probably have to take her out and see. However, since I am only using it for leveling and seedbed finishing I am guessing I will only be running 3-4 inches deep so it may work.

Thanks!



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paul

01-30-2005 08:02:28




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-30-2005 06:46:31  
I pull a 22" with a 135hp tractor. I used to pull a 16" with an 85 hp tractor. Those were good matches.

You are a little light in hp for regular use, but might be able to accomplish what you want with 13" & 55 hp. Worth trying anyhow.

My sis bought some land that had an auction in spring, and the bean stubble was used for the parking lot. Very hard soil. I took the 13" behind my 135 hp tractor, and that really worked up the ground nice - used all the power & duals as well! If you are working up tough ground, you might find yourself happy with the big tractor.

Also, I graze cornstalks all fall, and disk & field cultivate in spring. If you mean your land is unworked, be prepared to disk several times befroe getting near it with the field cultivator. It plugs up easily in cornstalks. I usually need to disk 2 times, and this is cornstalks that are heavily grazed out. Even then, the fc likes to plug.

--->Paul

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pbutler

01-30-2005 11:06:43




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to paul, 01-30-2005 08:02:28  
Thanks Paul.

Ground was in beans-and had anhydrous injected last fall so I think it should work pretty easily-stalk clogging shouldn't be a problem.



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JT

01-31-2005 06:34:57




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-30-2005 11:06:43  
Stalk clogging could be a big problem if you did not have a straw chopper on your combine.



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paul

01-30-2005 21:46:57




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-30-2005 11:06:43  
Oops, bean stubble, yea it sure is worth a try, should work more times than not.

The off corn rows aren't too big a deal if the planter driver is steady & keeps the rows straight. I would be worried if you do contuor planting or fields with curves, but otherwise it is pretty common to have different planter & combine rows, mostly works great. In a perfect world, we'd do it perfect, but..... :)

--->Paul

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Davis In SC

01-29-2005 20:44:26




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
Thanks for link to see pics..... Looks like you are doing Ok in the Farming .. Best wishes for a Bumper Crop this year, & at good prices... Regards, Davis



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thurlow

01-29-2005 20:31:09




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 Re: Horsepower to pull 13ft field cultivator? in reply to pbutler, 01-29-2005 18:17:43  
I suppose it depends on your intended use of the cultivator; if it's a "smoothing/pre-plant tool", you're probably good-to-go. I always used mine at 6 mph (or better) as a secondary tillage implement to fracture rain compacted soil and to drag up and kill whatever had germinated since the last pass. Took at least 5 hp per foot as I used it..... .



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