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poorboy

01-29-2005 17:48:01




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got a winco model 25ptoc-3 25,000 watt generator min hp requiremnet of 50 hp tractor to get full potential from generator. i only need maybe 5000-10,000 watts peek output for normal house hold operations during power outages. do you think that i could run it off my 8n? have larger tractors just want to keep hours and expenses down on big stuff. 2 years ago were with out power 14 day's straight. live in boonie's.or better idea's appreciated. thanks in advance

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RAB

01-30-2005 13:35:43




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to poorboy, 01-29-2005 17:48:01  
Apart from safety, one other point to remember is to balance the phases on your generator - 8kW off one phase only will not be nice to the generator!
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buickanddeere

01-30-2005 11:39:44




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to poorboy, 01-29-2005 17:48:01  
What ever you do don't let the rpms/frequency drop or raise from 540rpm/60htz. At best hope your equipment and electronics will trip off and shut down before they are damaged. Sad to say incidents of electrical/electronics equipment damaged from improper generator usage occur during every blackout. Now rather than getting on a rant about proper generator connections and "why, cause my system works". Just install and use the proper equipment. The piece of mind feels pretty good. I'll never forget the surprise, disbelief then anger when somebody tried to kill use with 4160V one night. The bus bars were isolated from supply before repairs but we potential checked just to be certain. The bus bars were live from a backfeed!!! Here is two cheap and easy methods for generator connections.

Panel/LinkŪ Main Breaker Transfer Panels - TT Series - Type V

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(36 Branch Circuits) - Generator-Ready 200 Amp.

This transfer panel/breaker panel bolts directly in place of the building's original breaker/fuse panel. If the panel in there now uses "FPE" style "Stab-Loc" breaker that just "plug into" the panel main bus. You may want to consider replacing that panel with one that bolts the breaker to the main bus like the Reliance, Square D etc panel.


or

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Either the transformer pole top transfer switch or just replace the box your present electrical meter plugs into. The meter base switch/plug is the quickest and easiest. Both the pole top and meter base style allow one connection from the generator to supply all your buildings.

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Robert in W. Mi.

01-30-2005 07:43:13




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to poorboy, 01-29-2005 17:48:01  
I run my pto generator with different tractors according to how much i need to take out of it. Sometimes i run it with my small compact tractor, other times i put a bigger tractor on it if i need more amps...

Keep in mind, for long stationary use, your not suposeto pull more than 80% of your MAX pto hp rateing out of your tractor....

Deutz sure makes a good tractor for stationary pto use, very efficient diesel engine and long lasting too.. I have a 30-06 Deutz that fits pretty well on my 15kw Winco generator. That's the tractor i'd use on mine for my long term power needs.

Robert

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yo from ontario

01-30-2005 06:31:26




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to poorboy, 01-29-2005 17:48:01  
Your 8n might give you 5000 watts but i'm sure it won't give you 10000. What I do is put my Deutz 6006 on the generator. When I don't need big power I put in in 1000 pto and run the engine at 1100 rpm. At chore time I stop shift the tractor to 540 and run at full speed.



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jdemaris

01-30-2005 13:34:33




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to yo from ontario, 01-30-2005 06:31:26  
I can get 5000 watts from my little 10 horse Briggs & Stratton powered generator. The 8N has more than twice the horsepower.



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jdemaris

01-29-2005 18:11:54




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to poorboy, 01-29-2005 17:48:01  
I've run my 17KW generator many times with my Cletrac HG or Case VAC. Obviously, not at full load - but it ran the house with no problem, including a hot-air oil furnace, 3/4 horse 220 volt well pump, 30 amp - 220 volt electric hot water heater, and misc. lights, TV, and computer. I could hear them lug down a bit now and then, but it was no problem. When I know it's going to be a long outage, I stick my bigger diesel tractor on it, but otherwise I kind of like the smaller gas tractors because they're quieter. Also, a lot easier to get started in an emergency situation when the weather is real cold. My Case VAC is around 20 horse and my Cletrac HG has a 142 c.i. engine with somewhere around 25 horsepower - which should about the same as your 8N.

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Bob

01-29-2005 17:59:09




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to poorboy, 01-29-2005 17:48:01  
Certainly, you could run it off the "N" for light loads, but try it out ahead of time, so you know what it is capable of.

For 540 RPM PTO operation, the "N" engine will be at about 1500 RPM's, and probably will be putting out considerably LESS than it's rated HP.



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Leroy

01-31-2005 03:52:12




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 Re: pto generator need advice in reply to Bob, 01-29-2005 17:59:09  
rated HP is at PTO speed



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