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PTO cement mixer instructions wanted

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Rod in Smiths F

01-26-2005 17:35:54




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I seem to be the only one who can't get a pto mixer to do a good job.

Could someone please post a set of instructions including the rpm required of the host tractor, the quantity of portland, sand or gravel, and water?

The local quarry has a "concrete mix" which seems to be an ideal mixture of gravel and sand. All one need do is add portland and water in the right quantities and mix. It sounds simple...

Thanks,

Rod

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Bill WI

01-27-2005 07:37:01




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 01-26-2005 17:35:54  
I use my own gravel which is sandy and buy in a truckload 3/4 inch crushed stone. I use 4 sand , 1 crushed stone and 1 portland cement. If I have something real strong I use 3 sand. I'd use 5 to 1 of yours and to for tough jobs use 4 to 1. Keep your mixer running slow enough so the cement follows the paddles and drops at about the top. Too fast and it'll just follow around. too much water and it'll just stay pudding in the bottom and not strong enough for nothing. You get used to it.

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

01-27-2005 16:28:07




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to Bill WI, 01-27-2005 07:37:01  

So the problem with the mixer was really with the tractor. Maybe I should try the thing again with the newer MF35 diesel. It can turn over at about 400 rpm without losing oil presssure.

Thank you for the clear instructions.

Rod



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Farmered

01-26-2005 22:31:27




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 01-26-2005 17:35:54  
I always use a 1 2 3 mix. 1 Portland, 2 sand and 3 gravel. Ed



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Todd L

01-26-2005 19:21:51




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 01-26-2005 17:35:54  
Rod there are several mix designs to use depending on what you are pouring. Check with your local redimix and see what they recomend for your job. I would think that about 6 shovels full of sand and 1 of 3/4 inch crushed rock and 1 shovel of portland would do just fine for most stuff. Water should be added as needed to keep it loose enough to work. To stiff can be to hard to get fineshed and to wet can create problems on set time and strenght. After your mixer is loaded let it mix for 10 minutes or so to get it mixed good then dump it and have at it.

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Coloken

01-26-2005 18:42:18




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 01-26-2005 17:35:54  
Keep it about as thick (least water) as you can handle, less water= stronger. Organic stuff in sand or water can really mess it up and keep it from setting up. If mixer isn't mixing...maybe its running too fast.



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old

01-26-2005 17:43:17




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 01-26-2005 17:35:54  
I was always told to make a 7 gravel to one portland mix. not sure if this is correct just what I have been told



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Allan in NE

01-26-2005 18:11:20




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to old, 01-26-2005 17:43:17  
Me too,

Well, 8 to 1. Mixed a bunch at that rate over the years and it is all still where I planted it. :>)

Allan



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old

01-26-2005 18:19:14




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 Re: PTO cement mixer instructions wanted in reply to Allan in NE, 01-26-2005 18:11:20  
Allan, I like mine a little harder LOL



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

01-27-2005 05:38:45




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 I know the recipe! How many rpm's? in reply to old, 01-26-2005 18:19:14  
I know the mixture. What I don't know is how much water to put in with the bag of cement and the fifty shovels-full of gravel.

Do you dump the water in all at once or mix it dry and then add, or trickle it in during the process? How often do you have to stop and scrape down the sides of the mixer to get the stuff to blend?

If the Fergie turned too quickly, what is the right speed in rpm's on the tractor?

BTW: my dad's mortar mix proved excellent over many bags of portland this summer: 3 sand, 1 portland, 1/4 seal-bond. If it proves too sticky to get out of the mixer, dilute with 1 sand. I put three tons of this onto the interior walls of the stone house I'm renovating and it worked very well.

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Jim.UT

01-27-2005 08:32:00




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 Re: I know the recipe! How many rpm's? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 01-27-2005 05:38:45  
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I only do small jobs so I cheat a lot and just buy the "just add water" stuff in 90 lb bags. Here's my drill:

1. First get the mixer started. It's easier to keep it rotating as you add weight than it is to get it started after all the ingredients are in.
2. Using a hose-end garden trigger sprayer I add about 2 gallons of water (until it's about 3" deep in the bottom of the drum).
3. Dump in one bag.
4. Knock down the dust with a fine mist spray from the hose.
5. Watch it for awhile. If it's pretty thick, I add a bunch of water until it's pretty soupy. If it's already still very liquid I go to step 6.
6. Dump in another bag.
7. Repeat step 4.
8. Repeat step 5, but don't let it get as soupy this time. You want it so it's thick enough to climb the side of the rotating drum about 1/4 to 1/3 before dropping back into the pile.
9. Dump in the third bag.
10. Repeat step 4 but don't get carried away.
11. It should be pretty thick now.
12. With the sprayer add water sparingly and let it mix. Watch for it to get to the consistency you like then stop adding water.

Three bags and the required water for that much ready mix is about all this mixer can handle. It's a lot better than mixing one bag at a time in a wheelbarrow! As for RPM, you'll get a feel for that. If it's too fast, the mixture will centrifuge to the sides of the drum and you wont get any mixing action. On my Ford I find that 1000 engine RPM is about right...maybe a little slower.
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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

01-27-2005 16:23:51




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 Re: I know the recipe! How many rpm's? in reply to Jim.UT, 01-27-2005 08:32:00  
So the Fergie must have been winding at about 1500 rpm to keep running. Hence the centrifuge.

When this old brute of a mixer dumped, the frame would get jammed inside another frame and require a pry bar to get it free.

Thanks for the pictures. They raise another question. If I couldn't get the thing high enough to dump into a wheelbarrow, that's the tractor's fault, right? The 3pt's last gasp was to try to lift the mixer one last time, then drop it in its tracks as I was driving. It hasn't worked since, and my mechanic says it's past fixing.

When it came time to return the borrowed mixer I ended up loading it onto my utility trailer by pulling it up the ramp with my golf cart and a 40 foot nylon tow rope.

Anybody want a Fergie with excellent sheet metal, 98% tires, tired valves and no pump?

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