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3 pt Cultivators

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Terry Edwards

01-21-2005 14:53:44




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I'm thinking about getting a 3pt cultivator. I would be pulling it with a MF 35 Diesel...recently overhauled...good rubber...strong tractor, etc. What is the maximum length cultivator that could reasonably be used with this tractor (approximately 38hp)?

I would like to use a 5ft or 6ft...is that too much? They make a 4ft...but...would hate to be limited to that one.




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Gerald J.

01-21-2005 18:49:31




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Terry Edwards, 01-21-2005 14:53:44  
You aren't producing garden crops worth $50,000 per acre. You don't need a $2000 tillage tool that takes forever to make a seed bed. You need to just hit the ground with a field cultivator, say 12' wide and go in just 3 or 4 inches. Mount it with two or three bars of spring tooth harrow on behind and in ONE pass you will make a perfectly good seed bed for wild critter feed. My old CCA (that I don't use anymore) would be OK, though its a bit light for penetration. Any width of row crop cultivator with the gaps filled in would do for your purposes, though its a bother to attach the spring tooth behind. A pulled field cultivator tends to have better trash clearance and a back bar that you can hang the spring tooth parts from.

Gerald J.

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greenbeanman in Kansas

01-21-2005 17:47:50




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 Just my opinion----but in reply to Terry Edwards, 01-21-2005 14:53:44  
Just my opinion---but I think you will find working the ground with disc and harrow or other implements will be faster than working the ground once over with a roto-tiller.

Another problem of working the ground with a roto-tiller is that it buries all residue and really makes the ground fine. Nice seed bed, but if you get a dashing rain it seals it up and then you get run off, maybe severe run off depending upon just how flat your ground is. With seal up it crusts over and makes it hard or impossible for seed to break through.

I use a 56 inch roto-tiller behind my 23 hp tractor. HOWEVER I am using it in very sandy soil, and PTO rpm speed in low gear provides about .7 mph. That is approximately one foot per second vs. 7.3 while discing with a wider implement (6').

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Gerald J.

01-21-2005 16:36:33




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Terry Edwards, 01-21-2005 14:53:44  
My MF-135 pulled a 12' JD CCA pull behind field cultivator just fine.

If pulled a 6 row narrow three point cultivator too but after an hour or two couldn't lift it.

Gerald J.



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Robert in W. Mi.

01-21-2005 15:46:12




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Terry Edwards, 01-21-2005 14:53:44  
The biggest problem is, to keep the tractor centered in the rows, as the slightest movement of the front wheels, = a lot of movement waaay back on the cultivator, and that means crop damage!!

Robert



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Allan in NE

01-21-2005 18:14:54




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Robert in W. Mi., 01-21-2005 15:46:12  
Hi Robert,

Hate to disagree with ya, but that actually is the easy part.

A good cultivator will have a rolling vertical stabilizer, usually in the form of large disks, which will keep the cultivator going in one direction and limit that 'sideways' or laterial movement.

It works kind of like a farmer's gyroscope thing.

The trick is to set the tractor up in such a way as to let the hitch "sway". This let's the tractor wander all over the place and the cultivator stays centered over the row.

Kind of like hitching to a plow, you don't hook the plow up rigid, but rather, let it 'sway' back there.

One of the reasons you can cultivate so much faster with a 3-point cultivator than with a rigid front mount model.

But yes, a certain amount of "driving" is necessary, of course. But not anything like those old front mounts; those things made ya drive 'em. :>)

Allan

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Robert in W. Mi.

01-22-2005 07:34:07




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Allan in NE, 01-21-2005 18:14:54  
I agree with you "if" you buy that kind of cultivator, but i've never see that kind on cult.... on such a small tractor here.

Because he's trying to use such a small tractor, i assumed he was going to buy one of the snall cheapo units i see guys trying to get by with to save $$.

You know what they say about ASSUME.... :>)

Robert



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Allan in NE

01-21-2005 15:34:19




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Terry Edwards, 01-21-2005 14:53:44  
Terry,

If you're talking about a real bone-fide row crop cultivator, bet that tractor could handle a 15 foot size. (6-row narrow).

Don't know for sure as I've never owned one of those tractors, but cultivators just don't pull all that hard.

Allan



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BillKY

01-21-2005 15:43:56




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Allan in NE, 01-21-2005 15:34:19  
I'm thinkin' he's talking about a FIELD cultivator. Might oughtta stay small with a tractor that size. 5' maybe. Depends on soil and how deep you plan on pulling it.



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RayP(MI)

01-21-2005 16:50:31




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to BillKY, 01-21-2005 15:43:56  
If he's pulling a field cultivator, we used to pull a 8 1/2 foot JD behind a '47 JD B 6 or 7 inches deep or even deeper, no problem. His tractor might be lighter, but should have plenty of power!



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Terry Edwards

01-21-2005 16:43:35




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to BillKY, 01-21-2005 15:43:56  
Yeah...didn't make myself clear.

I was talking about the kind where the PTO turns the blades..."churns up" the dirt so you only have to make one pass to prepare the soil. Think a MF 35 in pretty good shape would pull a 5ft one without too much trouble? Most of the fields we are involved with (food plots for deer/turkey, etc) have already been plowed and disked before...they just need some preparation for the next planting. It just takes a lot of time to plow them again AND then disk them again. Seemed like we could do it in one pass with a cultivator.

I don't think I need a 6ft one...but hated the thought of doing too much work with a 4ft one.

Thanks folks!

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Leroy

01-21-2005 16:53:19




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Terry Edwards, 01-21-2005 16:43:35  
Sounds like you are talking a rotary tiller, not a cultivator



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BillKY

01-21-2005 16:53:16




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to Terry Edwards, 01-21-2005 16:43:35  
OK...Now we're getting somewhere....You're talking about a tiller/rototiller/rotovator, or one of a dozen other names for "a tiller".

You most definately don't want a 6'er with that sized tractor. In fact, a 5'er will work it to death in tough soils. If you go to a 4'er, get an offset model so that one side is even with the outer extremes of your rear wheels. That'll keep wheel tracks out of your prepared seed bed.

The biggest liability with older tractors and too big of a tiller will be the LACK of a low enough low gear. Long story short.... You might not be able to go slow enough to handle a 5'er. Provided you're not working a big acreage, I'd highly recomend a 4'er with that tractor.

I use a 6'er behind a 60 HP tractor. It handles it well, but in SOME soils, it's a load when I'm working down deep. (6" to 9")

Good luck! John

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Upon further review.....

01-21-2005 17:02:19




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 Re: 3 pt Cultivators in reply to BillKY, 01-21-2005 16:53:16  
Me again! (BillKY) After re-reading your original post, I think you might get away with a 5'er, provided you don't try to go too deep. With it set at around 4" to 5"s, you should be able to power that tiller. Just be patient, and don't try to knock it all out in a few minutes. If you run into a "lack of power problem" just don't run it so deep. Also, you can overlap your passes somewhat to lessen the load on your tractor.

Again...GOOD LUCK!

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