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Farmall Don

01-20-2005 09:02:53




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The local power company came out and gave timers for tractors/machines with block heaters, free. So, to be supportive, I put two on my machines I use a a regular basis.
Thought I might just ask your thoughts.

Is having the heaters go on 2.5 hours before I use the machine as good as having it on all the time?
What is the min. time one should be put on? Now I know power must have someting to do with it because one of my block heaters works better than the other.

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JoeMN

01-20-2005 15:38:40




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Farmall Don, 01-20-2005 09:02:53  
Our snowblower,a 2270 White,has 3 block heaters for its 585 ci engine. It is shedded,but takes about two hrs to heat up enough to start w/o ether or pre-heating intake.



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Jerry/MT

01-20-2005 11:52:42




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Farmall Don, 01-20-2005 09:02:53  
The time required to heat the block depends on the temperature where the tractor is standing,the wind velocity, the mass of cast iron and water in the water jacket, and the type and wattage of the heater. There is no single answer to that question. You just have to do it by "trial and error". Almost everybody on these sights mentions "two hours" of heater time before start up as what they use so that's a good starting point. By the way, it's a smart thing for the power company to give you a timer. It must be because they don't want you to leave the tractor plugged in all the time.

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paul

01-20-2005 10:04:53




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Farmall Don, 01-20-2005 09:02:53  
Any diesel should start fine at 40 degrees, so all you need is to get the engine block to 40. Probably only 30 really. so however long it takes.

My 85 hp with a 1200w tank heater needs less than an hour at zero degrees. The bigger 140hp unit needs about 1.5 hours but it is more cold-blooded anyhow.

If I have to both will start sooner than that.

So, this is a funcion of how cold it is, how big your heater is (watts) and how big the engine is.

I'd think 2.5 hours is more than enough.

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

01-20-2005 10:33:42




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to paul, 01-20-2005 10:04:53  
Hi Paul,

I enter into evidence the IH 310 or 358 with the 15:1 compression pistons. They start "pretty good" at 55 degrees or higher. Anything below that is a down-right hair puller. :>)

Allan

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paul

01-20-2005 17:55:25




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Allan in NE, 01-20-2005 10:33:42  
Yea, if I had time to make my tractors look like that, I wouldn't have to worry about starting them if it's a little cool out either - all they must do is sit & look pretty. :)

Never used either on a diesel here, my TW-20 has the remains of the holder to do so - I'm using it as a bracket to hold up the tank heater - but don't like what it does to the engines, too explosive. My tractors generally start at 25-30 degrees with the glow plugs, might be difficult if they sat for a while. Man, if I had to worry about 55 degrees I could hardly use mine, tillage is almost alwys colder than that.... :)

--->Paul

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thurlow

01-20-2005 11:14:48




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Allan in NE, 01-20-2005 10:33:42  
Please, please tell me that's not a can of "either" on the side of "that thing"; you no that's a know, know for many of the fraternity..... .maybe it's (starting fluid) just for show and you don't actually use it????? ???



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Allan in NE

01-20-2005 11:55:53




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to thurlow, 01-20-2005 11:14:48  
LOL!

I'm trying to decide wheather you are serious or not. :>)

John Deere and IH just to name two brands have come equipped with either starting aids since what? 1972 or thereabouts? LOL!

You guys kill me! :>)

Allan



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Willy-N PS Manifold

01-20-2005 22:59:31




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Allan in NE, 01-20-2005 11:55:53  
Was looking at the Manifold Paint and I have never been able to keep mine looking that nice even on a trailer queen I built once. After it was run for a while it changed colors and burnt the paint off. That is why I was asking. Mark H.



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Willy-N

01-20-2005 11:10:19




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 Re: Hey Allen do you ever use that tractor? in reply to Allan in NE, 01-20-2005 10:33:42  
I keep seeing those Nice Looking Shiny pictures of your Tractors and wonder are they all Trailer Queens or some working tractors? Which are the working ones that you get all muddy and dirty out in the feild? Hate to see a nice tractor like that not being used once in a while. My poor Massey has to earn it keep around here. Mark H.



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Allan in NE

01-20-2005 12:45:30




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 Re: Hey Allen do you ever use that tractor? in reply to Willy-N, 01-20-2005 11:10:19  
Gee Mark,

Get up a little grumpy this morning? Don't understand what that bit of rock throwin' was all about. No, don't own a trailer; wouldn't use it if I did.

Here's my old 966; maybe this will make ya feel better.

Allan

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Willy-N

01-20-2005 22:53:47




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 Re: Hey Allen do you ever use that tractor? in reply to Allan in NE, 01-20-2005 12:45:30  
Not grumpy just all those nice shinny pictures made me wonder which ones you worked. No way you can keep them that nice draging them around the barn. No harm ment just wondering. Now we have mud in the pasture and even harder to clean up cause the snow is melting!! Mark H.



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Allan in NE

01-21-2005 00:33:16




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 Re: Hey Allen do you ever use that tractor? in reply to Willy-N, 01-20-2005 22:53:47  
Mark,

I took those pictures right after the paint job.

Now the tractor is out in the mud & grime just like yours is.

Allan



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Willy-N

01-21-2005 06:50:14




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 Re: Hey Allen do you ever use that tractor? in reply to Allan in NE, 01-21-2005 00:33:16  
I won't show you a picture of mine now! I clean them up nice once from then on it is just hosing them off once in a while. Mark H.



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Butcher

01-20-2005 11:03:02




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Allan in NE, 01-20-2005 10:33:42  
Man, look at the shine on that. How long does it take to wax? HaHa.



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Willy-N

01-20-2005 09:11:51




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 Re: Block Heater Question in reply to Farmall Don, 01-20-2005 09:02:53  
I use the type that goes in the Head and heats the water. It warms it up nice just being on 30 mins. The one I use on the School Bus is on for 2 hours befor starting and no problems there either. I have used the Bus one for 30 mins and it started fine also but I like the water warmer to heat the large area inside. There are different wattages for the heaters some are 500 watts and some up to 1,200 watts! Try it for 30 mins and see how it starts for you, might save some on the electric bill doing it. Mark H.

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