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Farmallmark

01-18-2005 17:33:32




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I was thinking about harvesting some standing walnuts in my timber. What size of log makes the Vaneer log and how much are they worth? Thanks




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FarmerDave

01-20-2005 18:28:54




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmallmark, 01-18-2005 17:33:32  
There's an ole boy up the road that claims if you want good money for your walnuts, you call the boys that make gunstocks. They will come out and get em.



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Midwest redneck

01-19-2005 14:47:28




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmallmark, 01-18-2005 17:33:32  
Be careful about allowing a lumber company to come in and remove trees. A buddy of mine has an aunt that owns land in Northern Mi. and she hired a company to come in and harvest 10 acres of the trees for a price set by the two parties. the company harvested the trees and left a Huge mess the size of a house of branches and debris. The cost to clean it up is maybe the price she got for the trees. Sign a contract on cleanup as well as harvesting the timber.

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John (MO)

01-19-2005 11:53:21




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmallmark, 01-18-2005 17:33:32  
Some of your tales smell fishy to me. From my experience, walnut is quite valuable. The price can vary quite a lot, but pallet lumber...? Unless it was cut way way too young, someone up the food chain made a fortune on pallet lumber walnut.



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sjh

01-19-2005 21:21:19




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to John (MO), 01-19-2005 11:53:21  
I have seen many pallet stringers made out of black walnut.



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snitkawl

01-20-2005 04:47:18




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to sjh, 01-19-2005 21:21:19  
I have made pallet lumber from walnut, and others that saw pallet lumber primarily have also. That being said, if I was in the logging bnsiness and had 500 walnut log to sell, I would not take them to a buyer whose primary business was pallet lumber. Since I was not in the grade lumber business, I had to buy all logs to supply my markets. If my primary markets are pallet builders, then I must buy all logs at a price at which I can afford to sell the lumber cheap. If a walnut log gets into the mix, it will become pallet lumber.
As to the post below in which the poster said walnut did not make good lumber: Flatly wrong. What it does not make is good firewood. It makes very good lumber for all sorts of uses including framing for buildings.

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snitkawl

01-19-2005 16:28:00




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to John (MO), 01-19-2005 11:53:21  
My thoughts exactly. The last I knew, the lowest quality that was usable was bringing 70 cents a foot.(Doyle scale)



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VADAVE

01-19-2005 04:09:59




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmallmark, 01-18-2005 17:33:32  
Agree with everything that's been posted. There's a lumberman around here that had the experience of the mill downgrading the logs so far it didn't pay to haul em. Now he cuts it into boards, stacks and dries then sells to anyone wanting walnut. I get it for between $1.00 and $1.50 board foot. Makes real nice furniture.



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BobMo

01-18-2005 19:46:05




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmallmark, 01-18-2005 17:33:32  
I don't know where you were but here in Missouri you can get the state forester to give you the information your looking for. The cost is nominal.If you don't have your local land grant university usually does. Good luck.



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kyhayman

01-18-2005 19:24:56




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmallmark, 01-18-2005 17:33:32  
You really never know if it will verneer or not until its cut. There are things that will make it not verneer that you can seen before, but after, its too late. Low quality walnut doesnt even make good pallet lumber. I sent 4500 logs to the mill last year, 500 walnut, and less than 100 graded over pallet lumber ($.19 a board foot on international). Best was some cherry and some red oak that brought $1.35 on Doyle (different mill).

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Farmered

01-18-2005 18:18:51




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmallmark, 01-18-2005 17:33:32  
I would consult with potential buyer or buyers prior to cutting to find out exactly what his specifications are. Walnut is to valuable to cut wrong.



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Farmered

01-18-2005 18:22:13




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmered, 01-18-2005 18:18:51  
Sorry, that should be TOO valuable. Ed



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sammy the RED

01-18-2005 20:13:11




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmered, 01-18-2005 18:22:13  
No problem, most of us here can read typo.



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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

01-18-2005 18:52:56




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Farmered, 01-18-2005 18:22:13  
When I inquired a few years ago a factory guy around Kitchener first asked me if there were any splits in the trunks. As you know, most walnuts have radial splits out from a central core. He didn't want any splits because his mill slices veneer off a roll.

He further asked me to calculate the cost of trucking to his mill against the higher value of the logs as veneer.

He suggested that I cut the logs up and sell the lumber for what I could get for it locally. This worked pretty well. Walnut goes quite nicely on wooden boats, and its scarcity in Eastern Ontario and obvious quality allows me to price it just above imported mahogany.

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pitch

01-19-2005 02:40:34




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 01-18-2005 18:52:56  
must be nice around these parts walnut is nothing but a weed. I burn it for firewood as it has no other value to speak of. I took down about 30 of them when I built the new house figuring to sell. After trucking to the pallet mill as no one else wanted them I would have been lucky not to pay for the transportation. Can't kill them either every stump I left has been putting out suckers for a coupla years now and the the suckers put out suckers.

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paul

01-19-2005 05:24:21




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to pitch, 01-19-2005 02:40:34  
That does not sound like Black Walnut? It is very hard to grow to any size, trim a few branches & the dern thing dies....

--->Paul



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Greywolf

01-19-2005 06:12:51




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to paul, 01-19-2005 05:24:21  
That's interesting paul, about 10 yrs ago or so the kids brought home a couple black walnuts for Arbor Day. Had good growth on one, about a 10' tree, REA came to do some work on the transformer(around Feb or so) and backed over it on the way back out. Cut it off ground level and let the mower take care of it from there.

During August of that year, was so dry didn't mow for over a month. During that time frame, the "stump" put up a foot high sprout. Am looking at a 6' as I type. And this thing has been nicked more times than once by the mower. It just won't die....LOL.

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paul

01-19-2005 08:34:31




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to Greywolf, 01-19-2005 06:12:51  
Really? Dad trimmed a couple as the branches were in the way, and they all died in 3 years. Had a few in the woodlot, dropped other trees around them & hurt a few limbs - they all died off in a couple years too. These were all large but not old trees, should have had another 30-50 years to grow...

Now I trim them slowly around here, leave a few feet of branch and so on.

Learn something new all the time.

--->Paul

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Rod in Smiths Falls, ON,

01-19-2005 16:04:43




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to paul, 01-19-2005 08:34:31  
Where are you that black walnuts are fragile?

In Eastern Ontario there aren't very many of them, but they are hardy. When the ice storm hit a few years ago and decimated the tree tops in my woodlot, I only lost one, 6" walnut. The other trees took a terrible beating, but the walnuts adapted to the shorn limbs with new growth and kept right on making nuts for the squirrels to plant. They grow quite rapidly, at about the same rate as a soft maple. Of course they kill everything around them with the tanin, which helps them compete against the hard maples.

When I began my teaching career I measured one specimen at 13". This year at the same point, after 34 years, it measured 35" at the butt.

One big old tree had a third of its trunk split away about twenty years ago. After the limb lay on the field for a couple of years I decided to cut it up for lumber. Nothing had rotted and I got a trailer-load of logs out of the limb. The tree is still in the same condition many years later, only bigger. It's over 48" at the butt, but it would be no veneer log with a big chunk missing out of it.

Maybe it's too cold up here for whatever pest kills them in warmer climates.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

01-19-2005 05:08:01




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 Re: OT Walnut logs in reply to pitch, 01-19-2005 02:40:34  
Mark the ones you want to sell and get bids from several buyers. Nothing like competition to get the best price.



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