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Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch

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Joe Losinski

01-07-2005 12:27:40




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I own a IH240 Utility Tractor, and have a back blade on the 3-point hitch, which has down pressure, can I make this (3-Point hitch) work as a "Floating" back blade with out the down pressure? thanks for your help....Joe




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wolfmantractor

01-07-2005 16:34:31




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Joe Losinski, 01-07-2005 12:27:40  
Those 2-pt (and 2-pt 3-pt conversions) were made to float by removing the two pins -one on each draft link (much as Hugh said earlier). One day I managed to back in to the fast hitch 3-bottom and begin plowing and forgot to snatch the pins out of the lower draft links - what a fiasco. The poor plow could lift the tractor off the ground! Didn"t take long to know to pull the pins!



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Unimog

01-07-2005 14:42:32




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Joe Losinski, 01-07-2005 12:27:40  
You can get some float by installing a chain in place of the third link. Chain needs to be short
enough to still pick up the blade but with some
slack to get some float.



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paul

01-07-2005 13:09:49




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Joe Losinski, 01-07-2005 12:27:40  
So, do you have an aftermarket 3pt hitch with a remote cylinder(s)?

Or, do you have an IHC 2-point hitch with a conversion to 3pt with the slip in arms?

My IHC 300 would be like that, a 2pt system with down pressure. It has a vertical shaft in back that is used to lift & lower the hitch, and this shaft has a pin in it. Pin in & it's down pressure, pin out and it's floating.

I'm not familiar with your model number....

--->Paul

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Hugh MacKay

01-07-2005 14:11:28




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to paul, 01-07-2005 13:09:49  
Paul: You're right if he has fast hitch with 3 point adapter. It will have a pin, probably not quite the same as your 300. If he looks at bottom end of the lift cylinder. The mount cylinder hooks to will have two pins fastening it to tractor, remove one and that will allow the mount to pivot. I hope I'm right, that is how 460 and 560 were, same family of tractors.



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Les...fortunate

01-07-2005 12:35:02




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Joe Losinski, 01-07-2005 12:27:40  
I have an after-market 3 point on my '48 Farmall M. It is designed so that you canNOT have down pressure, much to my chagrin, even though I have pressure to both sides of the piston. I wish I DID have the possibility of down pressure.
I'm sure you could "modify" your hitch so that it would float but that's way beyond my ability to tell.



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Rod (NH)

01-07-2005 14:08:08




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Les...fortunate, 01-07-2005 12:35:02  
Hi Les,

Sounds to me like you have a double acting cylinder(s) but are only using a standard spool valve w/o a float position. Such an arrangement would provide up force with hydraulic pressure applied to both cyl ports simultaneously with the spool in the up position, float (or down) with both ports open to return in the down position or fixed (cyl locked in position) with the spool in neutral. If that is true, it should be relatively simple to replace your control valve with a spool that also has a fourth position that provides the float. That way the down position would be used to actually power down (down pressure), the up positon of the spool would power the cyl up, the neutral position would lock the cyl in position and the float position would permit the whole thing to float over varying gound. To me, this is the only way to fly and should be an easy changeout unless you are using some kind of OEM built-in control valve thingy. I don't know what your pump output is but normally powering both ports of a double acting cylinder at the same time results in a faster cylinder extension but with a significantly lower force than what the system is capable of giving. Re-plumbing through a four position spool (incl float) would slow down the action but also provide a greater lift force at the same time, in addition to providing down pressure.

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Les...fortunate

01-07-2005 14:52:02




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Rod (NH), 01-07-2005 14:08:08  
I wish I had a picture of the dang thing to post, Rod. The guy before me only had one hose to it so there was no chance of down pressure.
This setup has a "hinge" so that it is impossible for the cylinder/piston to exert any force, even though there is hydraulic pressure to both sides of that piston, depending on which way you are pulling the handle.
You'll just have to come up to the tractor show next summer to see what I'm talking about.
";^)

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Rod (NH)

01-07-2005 17:10:16




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Les...fortunate, 01-07-2005 14:52:02  
Guess I misinterpreted "pressure to both sides of the piston". There still may be some way though. Apparently the issue is in the mechanical arrangement (linkage) and not with the hydraulic end of things. Yes, I am planning on getting up to your show next summer. I have given up on the show over in Eliot. I went to it again last summer but left after less than an hour. Lots of tractors, but none doing anything and too much "trinket and junk peddling". If I wanted to go to a yard sale...

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Jerry/MT

01-07-2005 12:32:17




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Joe Losinski, 01-07-2005 12:27:40  
Never knew any of these three point hitches had down pressure. Usually you have the weight of the implement only. With draft control there may be some ammount of down force transiently when you're plowing through a light spot but I don't think that's what you mean.



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RayP(MI)

01-07-2005 16:29:07




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to Jerry/MT, 01-07-2005 12:32:17  
Jerry, with the Farmall 2pt hitch, and a double acting cylinder - which my 200 has, you can choose the option of down pressure, as talked about in above post. Put the pin in, and you have down pressure, out and it floats. They even show how to lift the rear of the tractor using the down pressure option, and a block of wood, in the owners manual. I have found down pressure to be of minimal value for many applications, as it tends to lift the rear of the tractor, and there you sit with your wheel(s) going around, going nowhere!

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Jerry/MT

01-08-2005 17:04:31




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 Re: Down Pressure on a 3 point hitch in reply to RayP(MI), 01-07-2005 16:29:07  
I learn something new everyday! Thanks Ray.



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