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Proper Spline Mesh

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Joe (IN)

01-06-2005 06:52:47




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I'm trying to replace a damaged, rare aftermarket PTO shifter coupling in a 600 Ford. It's part of an auxilliary transmission kit and is longer than stock to accomodate the added tractor chassis length. Absolutely no chance of finding a used or new exact replacement. I have found an alternative coupling out of a different model machine that has the correct splines on both ends and is the proper diameter. It is longer than the stock coupling but not quite as long as this aftermarket part. I have cyphered the original amount of PTO shaft to coupling spline engagement to be 1 1/4". With this alternate coupling, it would be 3/4". The shaft diameter is 1 1/8". Any opinions or data on what the minimum amount of spline engagement in an application like this would be and whether or not this would fly? If this won't work, I'm going to have to try to splice a section of the old coupler onto the new one and I'm not too kicked about that.

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wdTom

01-06-2005 17:35:34




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 Re: Proper Spline Mesh in reply to Joe (IN), 01-06-2005 06:52:47  
Mostly for the power that goes through them the size of shafts and other power train components is larger than necessary in tractors I think. Look at the size compared with automotive components, which have much more powerfull engines for the most part. And some people put much larger, more powerfull engines in tractors and the drive trains hold up. There is a large safety margin there I think.

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Bob

01-06-2005 20:11:00




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 Re: Proper Spline Mesh in reply to wdTom, 01-06-2005 17:35:34  
Also, in tractors, typically drive train parts are slower turning than in trucks and cars, so there's more torque for a given horsepower.



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Mike M

01-06-2005 12:08:26




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 Re: Proper Spline Mesh in reply to Joe (IN), 01-06-2005 06:52:47  
You are going to have to put a pin in the middle or someother way to keep it equal and not ride up on one shaft won't you ? Or take 2 new short ones and weld them together ?



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Rod (NH)

01-06-2005 10:04:42




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 Re: Proper Spline Mesh in reply to Joe (IN), 01-06-2005 06:52:47  
Hi Joe,

The standard practice for a non-sliding spline connection is to have the stripping strength of the spline equal to the shearing strength of the shaft. This condition would develop a maximum strength connection, assuming equal-strength materials for both the male and female splines. The design criteria for this condition to exist is that the length of engagement be equal to d^3/D^2. That's the cube of the spline root diameter divided by the square of the spline pitch diameter. The root diameter is always a little less than the pitch diameter so the length of engagement would wind up to be a little less than the pitch diameter. The pitch diameter is also a little less than the shaft diameter so the length of engagement would be somewhat less than the shaft diameter. How much less is determined by the actual relative diameters. For the sake of argument, assume that the pitch diameter is 95% of the shaft diameter and that the root diameter is 95% of the pitch diameter. That means that for equal strength (spline and shaft) the length of engagement should be about 80% of the main shaft outside diameter. [(0.95x0.95)^3]/[(0.95)^2)] = 0.81. A lesser engagement would mean the spline would strip first. A longer engagement would mean the shaft would shear first. Of course this is only applicable if the material strength is the same for both parts. If the coupling (female spline) is less strong that the shaft, then a longer engagement length is required to obtain the max strength of the joint. A spline that is subject to axial sliding during operation is quite different and the length of engagement is based on a maximum pressure on the side of the spline teeth and not the strength of the tooth itself.

Your 3/4" engagement with a 1-1/8" dia shaft is about 67% of the shaft dia. Unless you are going to push this equipment to the limits, I don't think you would have a problem with that. The means of failure would likely be stripping of the coupling rather than shearing of the shaft. That's probably a good thing, especially if the coupling is a little less strong than the shaft. That would mean the internal spline in the coupling would strip. I don't know the exact configuration of what you are talking about, but it is possible that replacing the coupling (if necessary) would be a lot more desirable than having to replace the shaft.

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Joe (IN)

01-06-2005 13:13:12




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 Re: Proper Spline Mesh in reply to Rod (NH), 01-06-2005 10:04:42  
Wow! Thanks Rod! That's more info than I ever hoped for. The PTO shifter assembly is a casting that mounts directly to the rear of the countershaft on the transmission. The coupling is a spool riding inside the casting that is slid forward by a fork when the PTO is engaged to couple the PTO shaft to the countershaft. It is a sliding spline configuration, but only without power supplied to engage the drive end splines. When it's running, it should stay in a static position. I'm not sure about the PTO shaft strength, but I do know that the hardness of the coupling was measured at 55 Rockwell. I suspect the shaft is similar. Incidentally, The drive end splines are slightly larger and finer at 1 3/8" and they are only 3/4" long to begin with. About the only two PTO driven implements I can ever anticipate using are a bush hog and a tiller. I suppose that I could risk it and make darn sure that I was using a soft shear pin in the external PTO shaft.

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