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Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost?

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Kutupembe

12-30-2004 22:14:56




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Next Winter we will have 1/2 mile long driveway that is narrow, winds a bit and goes up and down. It seems to me a small tractor with a 4 or 5 ft. blower would be the best option. I know nothing about tractors. I am wondering what the experts out there think. The location is northern minnesota. THere are two of us that would go in on it but we are both a little tight with the pocketbook. Could we get a reliable used set-up anywhere near $2000? Thanks for any help.

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Bob seND

01-01-2005 12:00:22




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
Pick up this unit and a used erskine pull-behind
blower. They're plentiful and cheap in MN.
Bob seND
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Ryan -WI

01-01-2005 06:40:24




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
Considering your budget I believe that your best option is most likely a used atv with a plow on the front. That is what I use for my driveway and it works very well. The other posters are right in that you do need to push the snow back extra far but as the atv can run at higher speeds than a tractor that does not take very long. If you are doomed to get more than about 9 inches of snow I usually plow twice with once in the middle. If you do go this route your biggest problem will be traction. A 4x4 atv is not needed but a set of chains and some weight on the back will do you a great service.

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Kutupembe

01-01-2005 09:52:44




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 Thanks for Snowblower vs. Plow ideas in reply to Ryan -WI, 01-01-2005 06:40:24  
Thanks for all the ideas. The driveway is in the woods so drifting is not much of an issue. It does go down over a river bridge and back up so traction will be an issue. My feeling is that it is going to cost hundreds of dollars most years to have it done. Here is what I have gathered from people:

1. A tractor/blower set-up is slow and expensive but the best if there are many plow days.

2. A old plow truck would would work well in most years. A hand snowblower would help move snow back in bad years.

3. An ATV with plow is a possibility.

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johndeeregene

12-31-2004 23:52:34




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
we i amazed to know that i am not the only one to live down a half mile lane, privately owned lane. i have both i plow on a pickup an a 10ft by 6ft blower behind the 4440. we have only had the plow for a couple of years now. this is what we have learned. an that is you need both. if you had to only have one it would be the blower. here is why, you can only plow the snow so far then you have to get rid of it. so we plow 3 times at tops then have to get out the blower an blow the snow out into the field.
just today i put tires chains on all four tires of the old pickup. i dont intend to get stuck this year. limited slip diff on both ends. i should be able dig my way to china. johndeeregene

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Butcher

12-31-2004 17:56:03




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
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We have lived here in the flatlands of Bremer Co Ia. for all are lives. My lane is a half mile to the yard. I use a 1750 Oliver with a 7 foot blower and would not want anything smaller.
We have been really lucky the last few years not to have much snow but, it can get really nasty sometimes. Plan for the bad.

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barryinmn

12-31-2004 13:12:41




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
March is when you really have to worry with heavy snofalls. The berm thrown up by MNDOT or the County plow is the worst thing to deal with. It's gonna get 20' wide by X feet deep & hard as a rock. If the township will not come all the way in (they stopped in my area) call around to neighbors & see if anyone with a pickup/plow or tractor will run in. A relative traded hay for Winter plowing for years. A neighbor uses a 4 wheeler with a blade most of the time. I use a tractor loader, cab-heat-lights oh yeah!.

$2K will get you a nice walk behind snowblower.

A lot of folks that know better simply leave for Florida before Thanksgiving & return around Easter!

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Ronnie in MN

12-31-2004 10:00:56




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
I also live in northern MN and if all you have to work with is $2000 you are in for a long cold winter. I would contact the township and in ours for $10 they will swing in with their plow. Buy a small blower for cleanup around your yar and save your money until you can afford to buy a tractor that will not cause you to sell your place and move to town. Ronnie



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Farmall Don

12-31-2004 07:38:42




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
I have a driveway 2,900 feet from the house to the town road. I use a 706 (it didnt take me long to get a cab) with a loader (my bucket tractor) and a 9ft wide snowblower on the 3pt. We dont get that much snow in southcentral Wisconsin, but when we do its all that 706 can handle. Like Hugh said, you really need a 100+ horse tractor, but if you cant afford it you need to make do. A decent 706 goes for about $3000.00 around here and a loader for a min. of $1,500.00. Ive seen blowers for $500.00 to $3,000.00 and I paid $750.00 for mine. On a trip to Racine recently, I was looking at equip. at Miller-Bradford (Case Dealer) in Sturtevant WI. that had a nice used blower for $500.00. I almost bought it for a spare.
Anyway, we dont get much snow (being use to north central WI) but when we do, the driveway can drift in by the time I make my second pass. Plowing the snow only creates windrows the develop drifts deeper. That is why I blow the snow away, using the wind to help rather than bury me in. I will plow 5" or less with my blade on my M and if it gets deep I make a pass with the blower. If the snow is getting deep, I blow it out of the fields on each side (opening up the 12ft wide pass to about 40 to 50 ft wide) in order to create a snow fence situation where the drift depths are minimal. Before I had the blower, I would push and push the snow into piles, sometimes all day long to open it up. The blower has enabled me to greatly reduce my road clearing time (reducing wear on my tractor). Good Luck.

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billonthefarm

12-31-2004 18:47:19




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Farmall Don, 12-31-2004 07:38:42  
I agree completly! I am in Illinois and we dont get that much snow either but when we do it is usually blown around for a couple of days with the wind. Trying to keep things opened up around the farm with a loader and blade is an effort in futility. I have a 8 1/2 ft blower on a 1086. Yea I get tired of backing up but when I make a pass there is 8 1/2 feet of snow I will never see again. In dry snow it just seems to disappear. Now, if I had a driveway to clear but didnt have a shed full of tractors I think maybe I would check into paying someone to clear it instead investing in a bunch of equipment.

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Hugh MacKay

12-31-2004 06:51:43




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
Kutupembe: You've gotten a lot of good suggestions since my earlier post. I'm thinking the most important advice you have been given is a Cab from what I've heard about MN temperatures and wind chill.

In my lifetime I've plowed snow with Farmalls H, SA, 130, 300, 560 and 656, Case skid loaders, John Deere 540A forestry skidder, Champion road grader along with and assortment of pickups. Plowing heavy snow falls in wind will beat the crap out of equipment. This is particularly true with farm tractors and pickups. Skid loaders will actually do less damage to themselves than most vehicles, basically because you are closer to your work, thus you see obstacles quicker. While the road grader is a fast machine to plow lots of snow, they can also get in trouble, getting bogged in snow you have pushed, especially if you get off roadway and are not on level footing. The forestry skidder will come out of any situation short of being on it's roof. They will out push any tractor, pickup or skid steer. I have seen my Deere with chains on all 4 wheels, encounter 8' drifts and never even slow it down.

Believe me a 1/2 mile is a lot of road to keep clear. If you get the kind of snow falls I think you get, cheap aint going to cut it. Cab is number 1, 4x4 is number 2 and number 3 is blower or 100+hp. That is unless you have a week to dig out after the storm. If that be the case go with the skid steer.

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buickanddeere

12-31-2004 10:31:49




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 12-31-2004 06:51:43  
I certainly agree that ploughing snow just makes a snowbank/snow fence right beside the lane which makes drifting worse.
Blowing the snow gets rid of the stuff. A cab would be nice but a snowmobile suit and a balaclava does OK if one doesn't wear glasses. As for needing 100HP? I can fill the blower and start pushing snow with the auger with a 40HP tractor on a 7 ft blower. That extra 60 HP would just be bending the augur.

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Hugh MacKay

12-31-2004 12:50:50




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to buickanddeere, 12-31-2004 10:31:49  
buickanddeere: You'll notice I did say blower or 100 hp. 100 hp if he is going to push it, and the only way he will get a 100 hp on the ground in winter will be 4x4. That is what I found pushing snow with John Deere 540A forestry skidder, 6 ton of 4x4 machine pushing an 11' blade. Blade was close to 4' high and with Deere 8 speed power shift it made pickups and 2 wheel drive tractors look like toys. In heavy snow conditions that is what it will take to match your 40 hp tractor and 7 ft blower.

I agree plowed roads must be pushed wider, however plowed snow stays where you put much better. I watched three guys here in western Middlesex Co., with paralell drivways, each about 500' apart. The guy at the west blew his once, guy in center blew his plus the first guys snow. The most easterly guy blew all the snow from all drivways 3 times. I've also seen them in one of those west to east wind switches, blow the same snow 1/2 doz times. While my plowed snow stayed where I put it in the first place. Good old cedar hedges are the answer, and about 60' from roadway.

My own drivway had corn stalks to the west two years ago. Last year it was soy stubble to the west. This year it is back to corn stalks. Compared with soy stubble those corn stalks are as good as a snow fence. Just have to roll the 25 rows next to drivway. If Ontario just had a market for snow, what a cheap crop to harvest, as it will all blow to your yard, no hauling from field.

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rod s

12-31-2004 06:48:40




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
I have never used a blower I have used front mount blade on tractor which did very well but cold and slow, a backhoe no cab cold but which was very good you could move mountains of snow with it none had cabs now I have an old S10 4 wheel drive and blade it is great nice and warm with radio also, put weight in the back of any truck you get for more traction and you will be done in no time plowing if you get a blower and are backing all that way better book the chiropractor as your neck will be very sore.
regards
rod

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cootbruce

12-31-2004 06:06:36




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
I have an older model bobcat with snow bucket. I also have a four foot snowblower for it...I only paid $1000 for the bobcat. Look for the M600 or M610 models. ( I know of a few...contact me if you like) Oh, I should tell you I live in Ironwood Mich. We average 200 inchs of snow a year..I have a walk behind blower, a four wheel drive tractor with blower and blade and my bobcat with snow bucket and blower.....best way to move snow...bobcat with bucket.....also then you have a year round machine.

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Sloroll

12-31-2004 04:44:28




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
Check your state DOT auctions for a used truck and plow. Sometimes they go very cheap.



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Nellie

12-31-2004 04:34:15




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
Having pushed, pulled and blown snow for years in the Great Lake snow belt area I found an old plow truck is the best. I have over 400 yards of driveway. I can not imagine driving backwards 1/2 mile using a tractor and blower, too slow and too cold. For your budgit look for a off road snow plow truck, that is one which will not pass state inspection any longer but still can do the work. Next to not having to plow snow doing it in a heated cab is best.

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Indydirtfarmer

12-31-2004 04:22:34




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
In that price range, you might be better off looking/advertising for someone who'll contract your snow removal. Maybe a local farmer or school kid that's equipped and looking foir a few extra bucks. $2000 won't buy much of a tractor for moving heavy snow. It won't touch a tractor AND snowblower. You MIGHT find a used blade for the front of a pick-up truck, provided you already have the truck. Double that amount and you might find what you want....

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Midwest redneck

12-31-2004 04:18:25




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
I live in Michigan. I get about 60" per year and some of the storms are 12" deep at times, I have a 900' driveway all gravel. I bought a 8HP walkbehind snowthrower 2 months ago, I used it twice so far, here are my complaints with all snowblowers. 1. too slow (even tractor mounted ones) 2. any rocks or gravel screw up the blower, on a two stage. 3. they dont scrape like a blade will. I have also have a Polaris 4 wheeler with a blade and a Bolens tractor with a blade. I bought the snow thrower to clear deep drifts, and it works okay for drifts with the skids adjusted up. As for tractor sizes if you are buying new get a tractor with a front bucket so you can pile the snow and plan on spending over $10K, also with a blade you have to push the snow as far back as possible so that there is room to push more snow as the winter season progresses.

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DaveInMI

12-31-2004 03:52:23




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
We average 100" snow annually. I use a AC-WD with a 6.5' McKee snow blower on a .3 mile drive in trees. You should be able to find a usable WD for $1500-$2000 easily. I paid $800 (used)for the blower at dealer. The advantage of a blower is you don't have to worry about your road narrowing as the season progresses. The disadvantage is backing. The heaterhowser isn't the same as the heater in a cab either.

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Hugh MacKay

12-31-2004 03:46:24




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
Kutupembe: Both snow blowers and blades have their place, however I don't think you will get in for much under $5,000. I say this looking at the distance you propose clearing.

Snow blades work well in areas where temps hover close to the freezing mark. You push wet snow back well from driveway and it will freeze and stay put. When you encounter lots of snow and temps below 20F, snow will remain quite dry and move around at the slightest wind, nothing is easy. Heavy winds can blow it back as fast as you clear it. If you don't have lots of good level space to push snow away on either side, blower is the only option.

There is one other option, build roadway up so it is about 2 to 3 feet above soil, trees and hedges on either side. Then plant a good hedge about 60' from center of roadway on the side from which your prevailing winds come. You may then be able to blade snow with a tractor within your proposed budget.

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RAB

12-31-2004 01:22:18




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to Kutupembe, 12-30-2004 22:14:56  
Probably get a couple of snow shovels for $20!!!!
Is your drive just narrow on the driving surface or narrow, say, between two hedges. Need somewhere for all this snow to be moved to.
I would think a blade would be cheapest, but...we don"t get too much snow very often in our neck of the woods so would not like you to think this is a serious answer to your upcoming problem.
But you might check out what your neighbours have to counter this threat. They may have a lot of years experience with just your conditions, and you do have a while to decide which way to go.
Regards, RAB

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Pitch

12-31-2004 03:08:19




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 Re: Snowblower vs. Plow? Cost? in reply to RAB, 12-31-2004 01:22:18  
I don't think you will find anything at all for that budget. #1 Most tractormounted snow blowers mount on the rear of the tractor, 1/2 mile is a long way to go with your neck craned around.
#2 The tractor will require a live PTO to run a snowblower that means late '50's early '60's and your talking a minimum of $2000 just for the tractor.
# 3 Snowblowers require slow speeds so the tractor almost needs a creeper low gear less than 1 MPH
# 4 even if you did find a rig in that price range it would be so beat a good portion of your time would be spent chasing parts and repairing it. IMHO you would be further ahead to find an old 4wd pickup with a blade.

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