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trickie-mi

12-25-2004 22:41:03




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Ok, thanks for the quick responce. Are the brake parts and shoes sold in kits or do I buy the stuff seperately? On the axle seals, If they are dry the seals are good right? Are they easy to change? Iam gonna try to find that web site tonight.

Thanks




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Billy NY

12-26-2004 10:33:11




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to trickie-mi, 12-25-2004 22:41:03  
Well it APPEARS that you cannot mention certain VENDORS here, neither a link or even a name !!!, as you can see from the post below, I removed the name from the thread and it posted !!! In the process I lost the body of my message on my cliboard which was intended to help someone here, which is the purpose of these message boards, correct ????, to share information and experience and help people. Thanks YT, for wasting my time and restricting me from trying to share my experience of doing brakes on a 800 series Ford, with the gentleman asking for advice, you have effectively negated your own purpose here & I'm going to be very forward about making my point known about this.

Now I am P..sssed off, now I hope I am incorrect, and if so I will certainly apologize immediately, my bad judgement, but..... . if this IS the case, and that the vendor I mentioned is censored out of the diuscussion here, YT you are a JOKE, self-serving and utterly restrictive to people who come here to help someone out !!!! I find this hard to believe, but through trial and error this is what I see at the moment. Well the vendor is:

V AL U BILT

(2 words connect the 1st 4 letters)

Oh & I'd like to use a 4 letter word followed by a 3 letter word, but I'll refrain from doing so for some reason, what I'm not sure, but I'll not stoop so low to act foolish, what is up with this censorship ? Must be about the same smug snobbish attitude I got when asking some hardball questions about manuals offered here, quality of same etc. etc., no response given, after a detailed inquiry was e-mailed:

Here is a copy of what was sent to someone at YT on July 8 2004, Oh and no response:

I was looking at the manual selection you offer and had some pertinent questions regarding the same prior to making a purchase. These are important details that should be addressed, so pardon my inquiry being slightly abrasive, its certainly not intended to be, it's just that there are few if any details about the manuals you offer and as a customer, I'd like some more relevant information about what you are selling. 1. What kind of materials are these made from, type and grade of paper, covers, and bindings ? Are you using an "Ibico" type spiral binding? What kind of binding is used on the larger more expensive service type manuals, like the ones listed for $199.00, ie; Ford Tractors? 2. What kind of duplication/reproduction process do you use? 3. What is the quality of the print, ie; text, schematics, and photos ? Are the photos clear and text legible or does the quality suffer noticeably when compared to an original due to the reproduction process ? 4. Are your suppliers products endorsed or licensed by any of the manufacturers you reproduce manuals for ? 5. Why are there no photos and or samples of your suppliers product to look at & review prior to purchasing ? 6. You mention "our supplier", who exactly is the supplier ? I think it's only fair that the customer knows who makes the products you sell, especially if not produced "in-house".

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trickie-mi

12-26-2004 16:27:44




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to Billy NY, 12-26-2004 10:33:11  
Billy, Thanks for trying to help. I realy appreciate your efforts. It never crossed my mind that there was sensorship on tractor questions. Hummm. Ok , I will try that site. Thanks again. Trickie



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Billy NY

12-26-2004 18:25:22




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to trickie-mi, 12-26-2004 16:27:44  
No problem, I went through this on mine, now I'm an expert LOL ! Actually just took my time and it was really not a bad job to tackle, glad my axle seals were dry too.

Another thing I mentioned in my message that was inadvertantly deleted, was to build up the ends of the rod that passes through the backer plate where it contacts & expands the pads against the drum when the pedal is depressed, it seems these surfaces wear down and will increase the free play on the pedal travel, so building them up ( I used a stick welder & air powered die grinder) and grinding them flat to original thickness is something to consider, I built them up and assembled the pads and drums, then worked the pedals to see how it performed, as I could not find a specified thickness dimension for this. It is something worth doing, to get the pedals to be stiff and have plenty of leverage, if you build them up too far, you won't be able to get the drum on, the pads will be expanded out too far, even with the adjuster backed off 100%. The right pedal on mine still has trouble returning, I built up the brake cam actuator as stated above on the right side,it was worn, but went too heavy building up the cam surface, then ground too much off, went back & forth a few times to get a middle ground on the thickness, still be able to get the drum back on, and have the pedal return properly, I'm not sure what happened, might be some play where it goes through the backer plate, brake works good on that side, but the pedal does not return like the left side, and I used all new parts & springs on this side, the left side has old springs, they seemed ok, and the pedal works great, returns to the top nicely. Might have to adjust and reset where the pedal connects to the rod that passes through the backer plate,not sure, or let the adjuster out some, both sides were backed right off with the new parts, probably some unique problem specific to this particular 850 of mine, it's seen a lot of hours so I would not be surprised if something else is worn or missing.

Also, when driving out the pivot pins, heat them up if the rust has bonded them in place, but use moderate heat, no need to get them glowing red, and localize it to the pin on either side, I used a "B" tank, acetylene only, with I think a brazing/soldering tip, just like what commercial plumbers use, will turn things red, but not nearly as hot as a cutting torch, much better than a common propane soldering torch found at a hdwe. store, real handy and inexpensive thing to have, just for heating, it's paid for itself in freeing rusted bolts many times over. Once you heat these pivot pins, it seems to break the rust bond after a couple of good taps with a hammer and a pin, ( wear eye protection ) after cooling a bit, they seem to come right out, I used a long grade 8 bolt to tap mine out, the thin flange on the pin used to hold the retainer clips may catch and peel off, probably best to get 4 new pivot pins, if you can drive them out from behind the backer plate, the flange will not catch, but there is no room to get a hammer back there, I did get a few out without peeling the flange, I think I used something the same diameter as the pin and it pushed through, someone may have a better trick for this. I took a picture of the assembly before I took it apart, for reference during re-assembly, then disassembled both sides, made a parts list, from my parts book, checked a few internet suppliers and found that NH was very close in prices, so I bought everything except the drums from NH.

John in LA posted his brake job on here, around the same time I was doing mine last summer, highly appreciated that post, with photos. The side with one less brake return spring is kind of strange, but shows as such in the book. Not sure what would happen if you added a spring here, seems odd to have only one on one side, the assembly is identical.

I was just out on the hills with the 850 getting a bucket of wood, was well worth repairing the brakes properly when you deal with hills !

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Billy NY

12-26-2004 11:05:54




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to Billy NY, 12-26-2004 10:33:11  
Well, I'm not going to go any further with this, but lets see if this will post, one last time ..... If I'm wrong, I retract my outlandish statements, which are very unusual for me to make, especially on a BB, and apologies are in order, but..... if it's the other way around, this is disappointing, sorry Trickie MI, the thread was about doing brakes on an 800, just trying to help....not detract from the post.

Here is what I see, if I put V...Bilt's address in the URL entry field once, it will not post the message, then if you subsquently use the same name in the body of the message after this it won't post, at all, even if you refresh the page, but... if you use the name of this vendor in the body of the message prior to doing the above it will post, meaning the first time you hit the submit button with this name in the body of the message it does work. If you use the URL address once, it does not allow the post until the name and or URL is removed. Ok, fun little exercise and a waste of time, ( really annoyed at losing the 1st and only message I intended to post on this ) is there some funny little quirk here or are vendors censored here ???

Will try this post with the name in the body of the message after attempting to post the link and if I am correct it will not post:

Removed V AL U BILT and entered it as so V AL U BILT in caps, and it will post, but if entered as correctly spelled, no go, not sure why I wasted time on this, but this seems to be the problem. No trashing or bashing intended here, I like to help when I can, this was an annoying little experience, have no connection to the above vendor, someone was kind enough on another BB to let me know they had parts I needed to get my 850 back together, as I could not find them elsewhere and the price was excellent, reg. UPS shipping from Iowa, was $10.00 to NY took 1 week, good deal on these, thought I'd try and share that, without going through the above, no offense to anyone here, frustrations are aimed towards the site, Ok, no more on that..... !

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Billy NY

12-26-2004 09:39:43




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to trickie-mi, 12-25-2004 22:41:03  
3rd damn time I tried to post a response here and it will not take the post, is this site having trouble ? I'll not waste my time, really frustrates you when you try to post something to help someone out and the site deletes it, lets see if it will take this post.

( Oh, I get it, it does not like the link I attached the previous 3 times, $$!!^%*&$#@* !!!!! )



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Billy NY

12-26-2004 09:54:49




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to Billy NY, 12-26-2004 09:39:43  
NO..... thats not it, it's not the link, I removed it from my post, refreshed the page and it still will not take the message, now copied to my clipboard, started from scratch & it will not take the post no matter what. This is damn frustrating, so either I've got some punctuation in my message that this YT BB does not like, or what gives? I've posted with links plenty of times here, what a waste of time, sorry Trickie-MI, was trying to add to the thread, damn BB does not want to cooperate, really annoying, I did a recent brake job on my 850, you can get drums, $33.00 ea. from

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RickB

12-26-2004 03:10:17




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 Axle seals in reply to trickie-mi, 12-25-2004 22:41:03  
The seals are good if the brakes are dry AND the differential housing is filled to the proper level.I have seen more than one tractor that was "dry" until oil was added, then puked oil all over.



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john in la

12-25-2004 23:33:44




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to trickie-mi, 12-25-2004 22:41:03  
If the brakes are dry the seals are OK. You only need to worry if the rear end is leaking oil on them.

Here is what your brakes look like.

third party image

You take clip #22286 off and drive out pin #2333. Make sure you catch spacer #22218 when you remove shoe so you do not loose it. The right side will have 2 springs #2204 and the left side will only have 1. This is normal. You can buy a second spring for the left side like I did if you want as it helps with the pedal return. About $4.00 at NH dealer.

If you are going to work on this tractor you really need to get a Ford service manual. They are out of print now so you can find reprints on e-bay.

The parts are not cheep but you should be able to get them from your local NH dealer and save the shipping charges. NH can also sell you the springs and adjuster 1 by 1 incase you do not need the whole set. To give you a idea of the cost here is a on line seller.

Walts tractor parts
4 brake shoes $85.00
springs and adjusters for one wheel $48.00

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trickie-mi

12-26-2004 16:44:05




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to john in la, 12-25-2004 23:33:44  
Thanks for the print. Is there a difference between a service and a repair manuel? I have an i t shop manuel but it is kinda thin. thanks again



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john in la

12-26-2004 17:59:41




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to trickie-mi, 12-26-2004 16:44:05  
A service and repair manual is the same thing. Since you have a IT manual you can get by with that. If you were to want to do a in-depth job you may need a FORD manual because the IT does not go into enough detail.

I like the reprints on CD. You get many manuals for the price of one.
Check out the link for a CD for sale on E-Bay.

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trickie-mi

12-26-2004 18:29:05




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 Re: ford 860 brakes in reply to john in la, 12-26-2004 17:59:41  
I agree the IT manuel doesnt have real good detail. Thanks for the cd-site. I"ll check it out.



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