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Tim In Ga

12-11-2004 12:50:17

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Any one try to fix a valve stem hole on a rim that has rusted out and if so did it work ?

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old fashioned farmer

12-11-2004 20:02:13

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

Howdy,

Gotta second the notion of welding a patch over the current hole and drilling a new one elsewhere. I had a trailing wheel on my 4 bottom plow do the same thing. It had a very jagged hole where the stem comes out. Now, of course it didn't have calcium so that isn't always the problem. We welded it right up, drilled a new hole, and covered the old problem spot. I went one step further though. I wirewheeled the inner part of the rim to grind the rust out and then put red body putty all inside of the rim to fill in any pits. It came out smooth as bowl of pudding and after primer didn't look any different from a new one. Haven't had a problem with that trailing wheel since. Got the notion from the boys here. If I didn't thank y'all then I'll say a big hearty Thank You now. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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RZ(WA)

12-11-2004 18:12:32

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

Once you have the valve stem problem taken care of be sure to, at the very least, remove the rust scale inside the rim then repaint it. If this scale is not removed, your chances are very good of it working its way through the liner and inner tube leaving you with a flat when you least need one. Just my 2 coppers.

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JWhite

12-11-2004 16:39:14

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

You can burn out the rust with a torch and weld on a back plate. Fill it in with weld then drill another hole somewhere else on the rim.

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JHesler

12-11-2004 15:58:04

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

I can't see why anyone would fill thier tires with saltwater in the first place. I haven't used farm tractors much so I can't really comment on how much good it does. I have used backhoes in every kind of conditions you can imagine though. They are basically big tractors with a whole lot of built in rear tire weight. I can tell you that the weight doesn't add any to traction. Just makes the tires dig deeper holes when you get stuck. Sometimes I actually swing the hoe out to the side to decrease weight when I need to get out of a rut.

Why not just fill your tires with concrete? I think the saltwater idea is nonsense. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who has different opinions.

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thurlow

12-11-2004 20:15:13

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to JHesler, 12-11-2004 15:58:04

I think you pretty much answered your own question; "I haven't used farm tractors much so I can't really comment on how much good it does." I know a lot of the guys who post on here use their tractors as toys, but..... .....they were designed and built to pull..... ..farm implements and equipment; it takes a certain amount of weight to make the horsepower usable; if the tractor doesn't have it, it has to be added.....

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JHesler

12-12-2004 21:58:18

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to thurlow, 12-11-2004 20:15:13

I wouldn't classify my machines as toys, thurlow. I have found that there is no substitute for lugs on the tires or a good set of mud chains. No amount of saltwater is gonna make those baloney skins "pull".

I guess though if your talking about traction on dry dirt or as I suspect in some cases, Wally world parking lot, the salted down maypops are gonna give some extra traction. We haven't seen conditions like that here in the Northeast for a few years now.

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thurlow

12-13-2004 06:15:52

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to JHesler, 12-12-2004 21:58:18

Not putting you (or anyone else) down, but if you follow the threads on these boards, you'll know that most tractors posted about are used to mow a few acres, to pull a parade wagon, as a display at a show, etc. The original use was to put the horsepower through the rear wheels..... to the earth (okay, also to power pto or belt driven equipment). When additional weight was needed for traction, non-freezing liquid was for many years the cheapest solution..... .CaCl. If you surveyed the farmers or tire dealers within 50 miles of me, you'd find they've all gone to a water/alcohol mixture..... ..not true in other parts of the country.

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RAB

12-12-2004 10:21:47

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to thurlow, 12-11-2004 20:15:13

Yep! I agree.
Many tractors had added weight to get good traction whilst undergoing the Nebraska Tests, (especially the older ones?). Obviusly a good idea in the right conditions and if the tractor could cope without slippage (for at least the test time). Personally, I feel generally solid ballast is the best route in most cases as it can be put on and taken off relatively easily and doesn"t cause corrosion like calcium CHLORIDE (not carbonate) solution. One downside is that it often hangs on the frame as front-end weight and can overstress the frame - especially those which use the engine as a stressed component. In the end, farmers do what is necessary to get the job done.
Regards, RAB

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BobR

12-11-2004 19:02:25

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to JHesler, 12-11-2004 15:58:04

That "saltwater"is calcium carbonate, it makes a big difference if you're not carrying all that hoe weight around. CC is corrosive to metal-if it leaks out, it will cause corrosion. But all in all it's a sound idea. Bob

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jdat jared

12-11-2004 17:33:22

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to JHesler, 12-11-2004 15:58:04

when you are on steep hillsides that some farmers farm, you would be glad that you have fluid in the tires. they add weight to keep the tractor on the ground, and so that a load will not push the tractor down the hill.

i have a jd 60, and i have 13.6x38's on the back, filled with fluid and a set of rear weights and i am glad i have the fluid in them.

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buickanddeere

12-12-2004 17:46:07

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to jdat jared, 12-11-2004 17:33:22

Adding liquid ballast to lower a tractor's center of gravity can work if the tire isn't filled more than about 1/2 full. Getting the wheel track width set to max possible is very effective.

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marlowe

12-11-2004 17:20:44

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to JHesler, 12-11-2004 15:58:04

Jhesler do you have ANY idea what your backhoe attachment wt. is ? well a 580 case is 3800 lbs. take it of some time and the you will see why they use CC

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Nebraska Cowman

12-11-2004 16:48:07

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to JHesler, 12-11-2004 15:58:04

we use "saltwater" for two reasons, first it is heavier than water and two, it does not freeze. Concrete would not flex and would severly limit traction, (part of the trouble with your stiff-walled bachoe tires) And yes my dear, weight does add traction. It just doesn't seem that way when in soft conditions you have too much weight on too small of tires. In that case the weight will sink you.

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George G

12-11-2004 15:35:37

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

This was a temporary fix about two years ago. As soon as I get new tires, I will fix it right. Where the stem comes though the wheel, there is a flat spot. I cut out the rusted part (the flat spot)and welded in a new piece. Drilled it to size, rounded off the edges of the hole. Put new tube in, poped the tire back on. Now I can do it all over again when I get my new tires. Can't wait! fun,fun,fun

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msb

12-11-2004 13:36:10

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

Cut the rusted out area and weld in a new piece of steel and the drill a new hole in another location.Grind the weld down and paint it.You will never tell it has been patched.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

12-11-2004 13:32:55

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

I've seen people bend washers to fit the rim and weld them to it. Depending on how bad it is rusted, many tire places have plastic inserts to fit over the tube and fill in the hole.

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12-11-2004 13:08:00

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Re: Rusted out valve stem in reply to Tim In Ga, 12-11-2004 12:50:17

Yea, worked great. Was a very time consuming thing, though. We cut out the rusted out spot. Started welded little peices of steel in to fill the hold in. then actually driilled another hols in another place in the rim. Worked freat. Then, mine is on an Farmall M, I turned the tire so the patch was on the inside.

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