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What's best? Left or right hand threads on camshaf

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hairy

12-05-2004 09:43:22




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Camshaft on a 400 Farmall has right hand threads.
The later 450 Farmalls has left hand threads on the camshaft. Which way is best? I am replacing the camshaft and have a choice of L or R hand. The crankshaft is clockwise and the camshaft is counter..clockwise.Your experience is greatly respected. Any and all reponses are welcome.




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Bob M

12-06-2004 08:41:38




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 Re: What's best? Left or right hand threads on cam in reply to hairy, 12-05-2004 09:43:22  
For this application don’t think there’s much advantage of one thread direction over the other. I’ve seen the cam nut unscrew on both right- AND left-handed threaded C2xx engines. (Incidentally when the cam gear hub broke on my Super M I discovered it had a left-hand threaded cam gear nut. Apparently it had broken before and the cam then replaced with a 450 cam?).

Anyway the bottom line keeping the nut on is not so much a function of which thread it is, but rather of proper installation: 1 – When assembling make sure the cam nut is properly torqued. 2 – Use a NEW keeper plate under the nut, then bend it up fully to catch the nut flats in 3 places 120 deg apart after the nut is final torqued. 3 – Make sure the hydraulic pump relief valve is in place and properly set. (It should bypass above 1,200 psi). If the relief is missing or adjusted too high it puts extra stress on an already highly stressed part (the cam gear) which can then cause the gear hub to break or the nut work loose.

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NC Wayne

12-05-2004 19:56:27




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 Re: What's best? Left or right hand threads on cam in reply to hairy, 12-05-2004 09:43:22  
The purpose of putting either a left hand or a right hand nut on a shaft is prevent it from loosening itself during operation. If your shaft is turning CW you'd make the threads turn CCW or left hand to tighten,and just the reverse for a CCW rotating shaft. As long as the shaft is turning into the threads they have a tendency to tighten during operation as opposed to trying to loosen. That's the reason you find many mowers with their blades held on with left handed bolts, to keep the blades tight.....and to mess with the man that wants to take them off the "right" way.... I don't know all the particulars about the design in your application, but this is just a good rule of thumb.

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big jt

12-05-2004 11:35:54




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 Re: What's best? Left or right hand threads on cam in reply to hairy, 12-05-2004 09:43:22  
Left hand threads are the update.

Worked on a SMTA about 10 years ago for a neighbor. He told me the problem was Ignition. Spent a hour trying to chase ignition fault. Tractor had spark. Finally listening to the funny way the engine was cranking I lifted the rocker cover. Hit the starter switch and nothing moved.

Wound up the cam had broken just behind the gear. The gear was held in the cover tight enough to run the distributer. Talked with a old time IH mechnic he told me that when IH put live hydraulic pumps on they started to have problems with the cam nut working loose. With time the gear would hammer on the shaft and break it off. LH nut cured the problem thus that is all IH offers now.

HTH

JT

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hairy

12-05-2004 20:49:36




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 Re: What's best? Left or right hand threads on cam in reply to big jt, 12-05-2004 11:35:54  
Put new sleeves a pistons in a 560. Drove it into the shop and got the job done, and it would not start.(not a mechanics dream). Come to find out there is a roll pin in the distributor shaft that runs off the camshaft had dropped out when we shut it off. The distributor was not turning at all. Very upsetting for a while.



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