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Have any of you all tried out the new 17 caliber?

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Nicholaus Sowde

11-25-2004 18:32:16




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Have any of you all tried out the new 17 caliber? What do you all think of it? Thanks




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lucass

11-26-2004 19:28:28




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
a 10 year old boy who hunts with us has a single shot 17 cal. he killed a deer last 2 years and this year with it . it has very little recoil. lucas



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MarkB_MI

11-27-2004 06:11:32




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to lucass, 11-26-2004 19:28:28  
Hunting deer with rimfire is illegal in just about every state in the country.

Even if the boy has a centerfire 17 caliber (unlikely), I really question the wisdom of teaching someone that it's OK to hunt large game with a round that was intended for varmints no bigger than woodchucks.



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Frank M.

11-27-2004 17:17:29




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-27-2004 06:11:32  
I've got a Savage .17HMR Model 93R17 FVSS. I've used it a few times on prairie dogs. I like it, but I'm not getting rid of my .22-250.
It's illegal, in Texas, to use a rimfire on deer. I read somewhere that the .22LR is the round of choice for poachers, though.



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thurlow

11-27-2004 08:29:07




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-27-2004 06:11:32  
In my state, I believe it's illegal to hunt (deer) with anything less than 6mm/.24 caliber; .30 carbine is also illegal.



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lucass

11-27-2004 09:39:57




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to thurlow, 11-27-2004 08:29:07  
i ky you can deer hunt with any centerfire cartridge as long as bullett is not full metal jacket.we hunt off the back porch and the shot is less than 50 yards. that .17 cal dropped 3 deer,each with one shot.. lucas



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RayP(MI)

11-26-2004 16:47:26




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
Was at a shooting range a while back, and the folks shooting about three benches down were shooting one of 'em. Report was so loud and sharp, I finally wandered down and asked what high performance caliber they were shooting - thought they were shooting one of the new short magnums, 'cause it was sure LOUD! We were shooting .50 cal muzzle loaders that weren't near as objectionable. I'll keep using my .22 cal rimfire or a .223 for varmints, thank you.

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TimV

11-26-2004 14:08:14




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
I've got a .17 in an H&R single-shot, and have been severely unimpressed. It is mediocre in the accuracy department, doesn't kill a woodchuck cleanly at anything over 100 yards, and ammo costs twice what it does for my 22 mag. I've owned (or still own) several other H&R's, so I'm pretty much ruling out the gun as the problem with the accuracy, particularly when several friends have reported the same problem, especially in any sort of crosswind. I've hung it on the wall and went back to my .222 for woodchucks--I can reload for less than the cost of .17 ammo, and it's more accurate, more powerful, and longer range to boot.

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mike brown

11-26-2004 12:32:53




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
Here in the east where ranges tend to be shorter due to hedge rows and rolling terrain the .17HMR is a great woodchuck round. I used to use a .222 but I now prefer the .17 mainly because it makes much less noise. One shot with a.222 and you had to go somewhere else because you've scared everything back in it's hole. On full grown woodchucks the spire point bullets ( Hornady/Remington) don't exit and the recipient does not crawl away. The CCI hollow points exit and there are too many crawl aways.

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Todd L

11-26-2004 10:24:38




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
I've got a 17HMR in a Henry lever action and I really like it. Works great on prarie dogs. There is now a 17 mach 2 but it doesnt have the range or speed of the 17 HMR. I havent shot a 17 mach 2 yet but I will never regret buying my henry. Wind really affects them as far as accuracy but that is half the fun. A freind of mine has a 17hmr in a Ruger and he loves it. He traded a 22 mag for it and said he likes the 17 better.

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buickanddeere

11-26-2004 08:49:15




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
I have to agree with the other posts. The 17 rimfire will be the death of the .22 rimfire magnum. However if you already have a .22 rim fire, just use some CCI stngers or Remington Yellow Jackets. If you need more for varmints, get an accurate .223 . If you are starting out without any rimfire rifles, get a 17 . I have a 350 and 700 yard range here. Most people's eyes do exagerate distances part 100 yards. Those laser rangefinders are cheap now and are a real shocker when showing the true distance. For 98% of shooters out there, a 300yard shot from a rest on the moose standing broadside is plenty far. More animals get shot at over the top and missed than with shots going too low.

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Rauville

11-26-2004 08:19:36




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
Boy...I guess I need to get to a gun shop. You guys are talking about something I've never even heard of. I feel pretty ancient with my old 220 Swift, 257 Roberts, and 375 H&H for the heavy stuff.



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wdTom

11-26-2004 14:31:56




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Rauville, 11-26-2004 08:19:36  
There may be some benifits to some of the new rounds. I wouldn't feel out gunned if I didn't have any of them though. There are a bunch of "short Magnums" and the .17 rimfire, also in magunm I think.



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caseyc

11-26-2004 06:37:24




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
great little rifle. bought one last year. tried fox and coyotes....not heavy enough. use it for rabbit and squirral...works great! still using a .233 for coyotes out here on the plains.

casey in SD



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kyhayman

11-26-2004 14:29:54




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to caseyc, 11-26-2004 06:37:24  
I'm with you, I love a .223.



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Coloken

11-26-2004 06:30:11




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
For long range varmits I still prefer my handloaded 7mm mag. For close range, Thompson pistol with 410ga barrel. (for skunks)



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MarkB_MI

11-26-2004 06:00:43




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
I haven't tried the 17 HMR, but it's been a real boon to the gun makers. I find it fascinating that Hornady was able to take two collossal failures -- .17 caliber and 22 Magnum Rimfire -- and combine them to make a big hit.

In terms of ballistic performance, the 17 HMR is inferior to just about every centerfire 22. And the ammo costs about the same as .223 Remington, which is a true long-range varmint round. If you handload, you can produce high-quality ammo far cheaper than you can buy 17 HMR.

That said, I can't argue with the sales of the 17 HMR. I suppose it has a place; if you're only doing short range shooting at small varmints and you're concerned about richochets, then 17 HMR makes sense. Otherwise, either .223 (for long range) or .22 Hornet (for short range) are a far better choice.

I'll admit to being biased; I've been handloading for over twenty years; once you've switched to handloads you'll never go back to factory ammo.

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Scott Green

11-26-2004 04:13:12




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
The old 17 bee was a center fire rifle. The new 17 is a necked down 22 magnum (rim fire). So forget about the earlyer talk of reloading. It is a fast , accurate , flat shooting little caliber. The way the bullet is engineered to flatten out , gives it a lot of wollop apon impact. Quite a lot more than the 22 magnum. It out performs the 22 mag all around. When it comes to cleaning , it needs its own rod and accessories. Not fun to clean. Be carfull not to bend cleaning rod.

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Punchie

11-26-2004 03:25:13




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
HI Nick

Well lets see , I recall right that was one of Parker Ackleys first loves 17 Bee (not that old but I guessing that was in the late 40's early50's). Now hope you can understand some of the wording at chester and relaoding books are at the farm so may have more than a few spelling errors.

17 cail. first small , cost of amo. , what are you going to kill with it. B/C would be ok out to where it would lose too much energy, and would lose its tarket mark. Guess just past 250 yds.. S/D would go throw just about any thing do to it size to lengh, so long as it had the energy. Off the top of my head, I would stay top of the line squirrel gun, ok for ground hogs (woodchucks), any other small anmials.

remember one of the best long range cail. is the 30. I see allot of people talking about 500 yds shot , I truly think they are measuring 500 ft. . That old 30-06 , can shot out to 300 yds. in most cases with no trouble. But if your a squirrel hunter, the small 17 would be a great gun, that small bullet falling to the ground, after missing that brushy trailed runner, would not have much left to hurt any one or anything.

If you have any loading questions or need a opinion : llmtvm@hotmail.com :

Be Safe !!

Teddy

p.s. started loading at 14, so have been around now for 23 yrs. boy time flys. A mountain of books and loading junk , boy if I only had time and the game where around like it was before.

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kraigwy

11-25-2004 21:30:58




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
Not the 17 but wife just bought me a ruger #1 in the new 204 Ruger. That puppy is the cats meow for long range varment shooting and accurate too. I love it.



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Bill in Colo

11-25-2004 18:39:47




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Nicholaus Sowder, 11-25-2004 18:32:16  
Swell little varmit rifle I have a savage single shot great on Richardson ground squirels. Both my sons have Ruger 77 17"s stainless steel. Havnt shot the 17 mach yet.



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Ray,IN

11-25-2004 19:52:54




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 Re: Have any of you all tried out the new 17 calib in reply to Bill in Colo, 11-25-2004 18:39:47  
The .17 (bee) caliber is not new. A shooting friend has owned a 17 bee for the last 20+ years. The only detraction is they lose accuracy quickly in crosswinds. He handloads his all his cartridges and outshoots me every time, unless a strong wind is blowing.



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