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jaker

11-20-2004 15:47:50




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I have been rolling this idea around in my head for a few years, so here it goes. Do you think that people living in the city would pay to rent a small portion of land to grow a garden on? I am thinking I could rent out a small portion of land and the renter can come out and raise any legal crop their little heart desires. A good sized garden be raised in a 80x100 area I would think. That is 8000 sqare feet or about 1/5 of an acre. So in an 80 acre field I could have 400 plots or 20,000 dollars. Around my area corn averages about 150 bushels to the acre, so 150 times 80 is 12,000 multiplied by $2.00 a bushel is only $24,000.00 without any expenses taken out. I realize that location is a very big thing and the size of the city that one is close to has a big impact on things, but do you think this is doable. Each "renter" would be liable for their own fertilzer and every thing else just like renting a real farm. I would have to carry good liability insurance but what other unexpected costs would I have? Is anyone already doing this? I would be really intersted in any input you may have. Thanks Jaker

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paul

11-21-2004 09:07:58




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
It can work. The issue is people skills, and some will grow weeds, some will cause problems.... But, I see them around, even in a small under 10,000 pop town near here. Seem to work.

Another way to go is you grow all the crops, and sell 'shares' in the garden. In mid summer through fall you take a box of goods to each member. This way they pay you, get fresh food, and can have thie 'garden' without ever lifting a finger.

I understand these things make serious money if you have the location, people skills, and so forth.

Either way you need the people skills. The first you collect rent for land, the second you also make money for the labor.....

--->Paul

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greenbeanman

11-21-2004 06:09:16




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
Where I live a cemetery encourages gardening on some of their extra expansion property.

The area is plowing in the fall and disked in the spring. Plots are laid out with twine and numbers are assigned to each. A roto-tiller is free to use and each is responsible for filling it with gasoline when they finish with it as well as making sure it has the proper oil amount.

Straw is made available for mulching. Plots can be reserved from year to year for those than want to amend the soil to suit their crops.

An agreement is signed stating that if the plot is not tended, i.e. kept weeded, etc., that it will be plowed under by the manager. There was a rental rate to cover the manager and water, but it was such a small amount I doubt it covered those fees.

Water is provided, however every time I attempted to water the spigot for those in my area was already in use. After weeks of frustration I just plowed the plot under myself. I once saw a plot owner disconnect water being used by another after deciding they had used enough.

Most of the available plots were never used even though the city has many welfare recipients. (I disagree with the statement of it being cheaper to buy than to produce your own.)

I found that driving or bicycling two miles each way only to find the water already being used a real hassle.

I wish you well with such an adventure, but it didn't work for me as a user.

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Midwest redneck

11-21-2004 04:16:41




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
Your better off leasing the land to a real farmer for a price agreed on by you and the Farmer, less money but way less hassle too. I would not do the 8000'sq lot thing, lots of people tracking all over, parking problems, liability problems, could get real ugly.



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TimFL

11-20-2004 22:11:48




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
Access roads and parking have been mentioned but what about irrigation? Are you going to pipe water to all 400 plots. What about security? May be easier to just grow the veggies yourself and sell them direct.

Tims$.02



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marlowe

11-20-2004 19:01:26




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
this is a big thing with the HMONG they will flock to your land and you will never have so much fun they will set up house keeping on the spot seen this just out side APPLETON wi. . iknow this sounds like a good idea but you will get sick of it real FAST



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Chris Jones

11-20-2004 19:48:26




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to marlowe, 11-20-2004 19:01:26  
What is the HMONG?



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Harley

11-20-2004 20:57:59




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to Chris Jones, 11-20-2004 19:48:26  
Ya just had to be there. The big cess pool. Harley



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RN

11-20-2004 20:01:33




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to Chris Jones, 11-20-2004 19:48:26  
HMONG? Montanyards:, Vietnamese, Lao, Cambodian mountain people who allied with US during war. After Cummunists took over had to leave or die despite what Kerry and company said. Lot of them resettled in Wisconsin. Have some working in factory, gardened along with them, good gardeners. Try term 'Schreibergarten'. RN.



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Chris Jones

11-21-2004 18:41:09




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to RN, 11-20-2004 20:01:33  
Too young for Vietnam but I am quite familiar with the Montanyards in fact our church is helping one family now--there are a lot settled in this area too. I've always heard how good of workers they are but now with our church helping that family I'm getting mixed information--too much to go into here. Never heard of HMONG.



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Chris Jones

11-21-2004 18:38:38




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to RN, 11-20-2004 20:01:33  
Too young for Vietnam but I am quite familiar with the Montanyards in fact our church is helping one family now--there are a lot settled in this area too. I've always heard how good of workers they are but now with our church helping that family I'm getting mixed information--too much to go into here. Never heard of HMONG.



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aFORDable

11-20-2004 17:13:05




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
I'd rather make less money per acre than have all the haassle of those folks on my farm. I farm for several reasons, one of them being solitude. I would not change that for money.



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Lincoln

11-20-2004 16:44:40




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
A guy down the road does this. I think he rents them out to people who moved here from other countries where subsistence farming is the norm. I don't think he charges them much. I suppose you could start small and see if it works. Word of mouth speds fast within cultrual communities.



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Sid

11-20-2004 16:37:00




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
About thirty years ago when I lived out in Spokane WA. a friend of mine tried that. This is what I rember about it. He plowed and worked it up and laid out the plots. The renter planted what they wanted and were responsibe to keep it cultivated. Some people did a good job and took care of their plot. Others came out and planted theirs and never showed up to keep it weeded and when they came back to "harvest" could not understand why so many weeds and not much good stuff. It was a short term venture and although he had some good renters that took care of their plots there were just too many that did not. It was not profitable for him. I am not saying it will not work, just did not in his case. You will have to have rules about spraying and such so as they understand even though it is their plot they can not do anything on it that would affect the next door plot. A lot of thought will have to go into when they can come and go when the last of it has to be picked and such. When You figured how many plots you can have did you allow for access trails and is the land around there such that people can drive into their plot. I doubt many city folk are going to walk a quarte of mile or so to their plot. I am country and I know I wont. I think the expense of drives and such on an eighty acre field would take a lot of land out of the picture, I would not try it on eighty acres, the first season anyway. I have my doubts but if you think you can work out all the details and go for it I wish you well, and hope your efforts prove me wrong. If you try and it doesn't work you can know you gave it a shot and getting into the later part of life that is worth something.

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Jaker

11-20-2004 16:55:05




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to Sid, 11-20-2004 16:37:00  
Sid,
Thanks for the comments. The biggest reason I was thinking about doing this is because it seems that everyone is on some kind of healthy diet kick, and of course everyone that is eating only "organic" foods. Around this area "organically" raised foods bring at least 2 to 3 times the amount that regular foods do. I knew that it had already been tried but I didn't know what the results of it were.
I thank all of you for your comments so far. Jaker

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JoeMN

11-20-2004 16:36:40




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
Do you have room to park 400 cars or bicycles when everyone comes out to weed their gardens after work?



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Ray

11-20-2004 16:36:26




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 Re: Tell me what you think in reply to jaker, 11-20-2004 15:47:50  
Our local town has free garden plots for anyone
who wants one,a local goodyear plant also has free plots for there employees. Since it usually
cost more to grow your own stuff than to buy it
at the store don't know how many takers you would
have.I don't know what kind of contract you would need to protect yourself from getting sued,
when some city slicker trips over his own feet.



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