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Willy-N

11-18-2004 15:02:13

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Well it is done. Took allmost 12 hours of Fabercating and welding to make it. Forks took a while to form the bottoms and angles so they would be strong. I enclosed the tips in the taper and beefed up the rear and still kept there weight down. I haven't tested the forks yet but I think they can lift 800+ lbs. I know the boom can lift 3,000+ lbs. Mounted the Goose Neck Ball on the top and it can be taken off since the nut is welded on the inside also. A regular Slip in Hitch can go into the hole for the Boom. Mark H.

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AmeriKen

11-20-2004 11:15:37

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

Willy-N,

I built a tractor hitch a few years ago using a drawbar and a vertical 3X3 member with a trailer ball on the top. I use it mostly during hay season to pull trailers with hay.

The first time that I used it with my gooseneck trailer, however, I buckled the vertical member backing into the barn. The force pushed the vertical member to the side and the trailer coupling was jammed between the seat and fender when it finally came to rest.

I strongly suggest that you add some diagonal braces from the outer part of the drawbar to just under the ball on the top.

I do like the hooks that have been welded on the unit. I think I'll add some to mine. I've used mine in a similar way too, to lift cars and trucks at one end and move them around.

Good job. Be careful with the boom. It could tip the tractor.

Ken McWilliams
Dayton, OH

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Willy-N

11-20-2004 16:16:53

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to AmeriKen, 11-20-2004 11:15:37

I had to read it a couple of times to understand what happen but I now see what it did. That is a good point to beef up since a ball on top can flex the 3rd point right to left under a extream stress. I just turned the plans over to a design engineer to look at. He is going to give me the stress numbers for all points on the steel and bolts at working load and a 5 to 1 safty factor. He is also going to figure the steel sizes to make sure they are thick and large enought. I think because I added the ball later to the hitch on top that is a good idea for more strength. I am glad I do not have to pay for this because I am sure it would be over $200.00 a hour for him. It helps being married to his Daughter!! Mark H.

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Chris Jones

11-19-2004 21:40:30

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

My concern is how well it will handle the swinging (side to side) of a heavy load hanging from it.

It just looks as though a side load placed on it from the end of the boom would deform or break where the boom attaches to the 3pt framework--at least over time. Something hanging back there tends to swing when you go over bumps, turn, stop, start, etc in normal use.

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Willy-N

11-20-2004 07:47:53

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Chris Jones, 11-19-2004 21:40:30

That has been corrected yesterday. I will post the new pictures of it later. I moved the top support down so the boom could bend if over loaded and put 2-5/16 chains off the center of the boom to the grab hooks to stop any side movement. Also put a center lift point in the boom at the same place the top suport point and chains hook to for real heavy stuff only 3-4 ft from the hitch. Mark H.

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cannonball

11-19-2004 05:21:16

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

if you sell this and someone gets hurt what will you do?? that is too much on back of a tractor..was moving gravel in barrel with a post hole digger frame...was backing up and the post hole digger frame broke right at third link..when it did i got the frame in to my back and trapped me to steering wheel..lucky for me i had pushed in clutch and had help around to shift tractor to forward...just had scratches and not back damage..need to be very carefull of what you make and pick up danger is just around coner...have nice day may god bless

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Willy-N

11-19-2004 07:09:07

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to cannonball, 11-19-2004 05:21:16

Every Boom I seen sold has the problems of being over loaded. There is no way you can get around it if a person want to try to lift something that way. I guess the only way I could solve that would be to put a shear bolt at the tip but then you could break that as soon as you hit or jerked the design point. Another way would be a spring that would strech if the load was to much. It seems by the lifting of the front wheels is the best way and I designed it so the boom could take way more then the tractor could lift up. I was only able to lift 3,000+ lbs by putting a jack under the hitch base in the center. My tractor which can carry a 2,000 lb bale of hay off forks could not lift 3,000 lbs that far out. Mark H.

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T_Bone

11-19-2004 04:40:14

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

Hi Willy,

I appears your about 7ft from the shackle to the point that the boom attachs to the forks.

This would be calculated as a first class lever and with a 3000lb load there would be 21,000lbs applied at the boom/fork joint. 3000lbs x 7 = 21,000lbs

The boom and pendant bracing would also be carrying the full 21,000lbs in compression and shear.

It also appears your close to 3ft from the forks to the hanger attachments on the tractor so then you would have 30,000lbs at this point on the tractor or 10,000lbs for each of the three attachment points on the tractor if the load distributed evenly between all three points, but it doesn't. The top link carry's the weight in shear with the side stabilizers carrying in compression.

Are you real sure the tractor is designed to take this type weight at the attachment points?

I just pointing out some simple math that may save you from getting hurt down the road when the boom and attachment points fail.

To get a better prespective on what I'm saying lets look at a typical backhoe boom.

A typical full 24" bucket carry's approx. 320/lbs of earth and will have a boom size of 6" wide x 14" deep of a tubular design. Thats with a approx 9ft boom reach.

So were talking about 2900lbs at the boom attachment point at the stabilizers.

The stabilizers (out riggers) remove alot of the 2900lbs of load applied to the tractor backhoe attachment points.

Anyone that has ran a backhoe will agree, you never walk (travel) with load weight on the boom as you will quickly tear the boom up.

From that do you really think your 2" x 2" tube boom will carry 3000lbs ?

T_Bone

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Willy-N T-Bone

11-19-2004 08:10:07

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to T_Bone, 11-19-2004 04:40:14

Thanks T-Bone for pointing that out. I made a design change so the Boom would Bend if over loaded instead of busting. Read post above. Mark H.

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Willy-N

11-19-2004 07:00:20

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to T_Bone, 11-19-2004 04:40:14

No I never figured it would carry that load at all! You realy should never carry a load if it has any real weight off the boom. This is where forks should be used. The main use of Boom is to lift things while you sit in one spot or to load something in a bed of a truck. I just tested it for stress with over 3,000 lbs to check the design. I rate this at only 1,000 lbs like most of the 3 point booms made for tractors. There is no way the tractor could even lift that load with the Hydraulics, in fact I don't think it could even lift 1,000 lbs that far back from the tractor wheel center with out lifting the front wheels. You could lower the boom hitch to the ground and use it with a hoist also for lifting. I solved the side bend problem this morning with a couple small chains from the grab hooks up to the middle of the boom. Mark H.

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Chances R

11-18-2004 18:53:42

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

Isnt building implements neat. Great job!

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Hrley

11-18-2004 21:19:26

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Chances R, 11-18-2004 18:53:42

Great pictures Charlie. Saw the gold Deere on RFD-TV the other night. Awesome machine, sure glad they didn't paint it green, HAHAHAHAHA, Later, Harley

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 19:06:52

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Chances R, 11-18-2004 18:53:42

They sure are! I like yours that you have built. I wish I could aford all the steel and welding supplies to make anything I wanted. I would love to build a real crane someday and I mean a big one that is in my shop that swings with a I-beam Trolly to lift things and a big platform lift for woring on my vehicals and tractors. Thanks, Mark H.

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Mike (WA)

11-18-2004 17:58:31

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

That's a very nice job, and looks like a combination of several things I've wanted over the years. Get a price out, for the basic unit plus the "options"- forks, boom, 5th wheel ball, etc. Make it in components, and sell the guys the components they want. Leave some flexibility in the components, as well- for instance, I log with my tractor, so I want a 5/16 grab hook welded right above the receiver, in place of that hook of undetermined origin in the pictures (pics 5 and 15). I have no use for a gooseneck ball, but most guys would want it. I don't need a boom, because I have a good loader tractor. But I'd love to have forks without adapting them to the loader arms and having to take the loader bucket off each time I want to use forks. The point here is, if you can "customize" it for each buyer by selling different combinations of components, you will have a winner. I'll order as soon as you have prices on components and are ready to start selling.

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 18:06:36

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Mike (WA), 11-18-2004 17:58:31

That is what I was tring to do here. That hook is off a Logging Choaker Cable so you can use a cable or rope to pull with. I intended to customize these to what someone needed. I do not have a Goose Neck either but on this model I added a lot of things to it to show what it can do. EMail me if you are interested in something different. Mark H.

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Hound

11-18-2004 17:15:11

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

Looks good....just an idea, like said below not real strong for sideways force. perhaps you can make your boom like an "A" frame, run 2 pieces down to the bottom, and have it "quick connect", into your fork holes or bolt over forks?. Your boom would be stronger for straight vertical lifts and better braced for towing. Another idea would be to replace your top link with a implement cylinder, so you can roll back you forks, when forklifting...looks good, be proud. Hound

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 18:12:03

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Hound, 11-18-2004 17:15:11

Depending on how you adjust the upper link the forks will role more back when lifted or stay level. To realy support a load from swinging the boom around moving you need to run 2 chains from the tip to the lower link mounts on the tractor. The Drag Link Bars still flex around and can lift on one side or the other. I will set it up this way for a picture but figure selling chain is hard to do and adds to shipping weight. Mark H.

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Jet9N

11-18-2004 16:54:12

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

Looks great Mark! When you get all your attachments added call it the "HENDERSHOP".

Jet

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DH in Carolina

11-18-2004 16:11:41

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

Hello Willy-N The boom looks good but. If you try to use it like a wrecker to pick up something and try towing it around a curve the boom may collapse over sideways. You may want to add a couple of braces to stop this. Also you may want to add a brace between the boom and upper arm to make it stronger. I have seen a lot of boom poles bent because people try to lift more than they were designed for. Also you should not exceed the rated lift capacity of your tractor lift arms or something may break inside. My .02 Danny Hearl

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 18:01:53

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to DH in Carolina, 11-18-2004 16:11:41

I was debating a removable brace from side to side movement for it. Problem is the lift arms are not rigid to start off with. What would be better is a set of adjustible chains from the boom tip to the tractor rear lower link mounts then it could be rigid for moving things around swinging. Also a load that could swing should be ancored to stop the movement. It would be easy to do this just run 2 chain forming a "A" down to the Link mounts off the tip on the boom. There is enought room for this to be done and still room for a hooking point. As far as over lifting most Booms are rated for a load. The ones tractor places sell are rated at 500-1000 lbs max and I have lifted over 3,000 lbs with this one in a test with no problems. The manufactured tube ones I have seen and used would fold even with the braces on them if you over loaded it. I was rating this at 1,000 lbs Max with a 3+ to 1 Saftey factor. I don't feel the added brace between the top support (under Tention) and the boom (under compression) would do that much. Most booms that use that support the weight in a bending moment on the boom and need to beef the boom. This is more of a A-Frame Style support with out the A in the frame. Booms should not be used for lifting heavy stuff if the tractor is on a angle sideways due to making it easier to turn it over on it side. Mark H.

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TomH

11-18-2004 15:56:38

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

I'd love to hear an auctioneer describe that thing. Looks like it could pick up, tow, or drag pretty much anything.

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 16:07:46

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to TomH, 11-18-2004 15:56:38

I am allready thinking up more things for it. A guy gave me a idea for a Vice Stand off the receiver, I figured out a easy Back for the forks that is removable also. Seems like a neat tool to do different things with. I have all these things allready but they take up a lot of room to store. Seems like it would be easy to put on the trailer with the tractor and since you put it together in sections it is not to heavy to lift and install. It all stores flat too. Mark H.

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Tim in NB

11-18-2004 15:06:57

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:02:13

That thing turned out some nice!!! When are ya going to start sellin'?

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 15:16:34

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Tim in NB, 11-18-2004 15:06:57

This one I think is spoken for but now I got the Bugs & Material worked out. Just need to figure a price out. There is around $200.00+ worth of Materials in it not counting around 12 hours labor. It was fun building it! Mark H.

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Allan in NE

11-18-2004 15:54:26

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 15:16:34

Mark,

I missed this whole thread. Why are you building these? For people without loaders?

Looks pretty darned good.

Thanks,

Allan

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 16:02:50

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Allan in NE, 11-18-2004 15:54:26

For people who need a Boom, Fork Lift, Trailer Hitch both Regular and Goose Neck to move there trailers around at home but do not need 3-4 different hitch set ups. Ones I have seen for sale = boom runs around 150.00, forks 150.00 and a hitch set you 165.00 all aprox prices but a whole bunch of impliments to store in a shop or out side. I wanted something that could go flat do many things and not take up so much room. Now a set up some other company did runs around 1,000.00 for it to do these things and it still takes up a lot of room. Mark H.

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Mark - IN.

11-18-2004 16:39:14

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Willy-N, 11-18-2004 16:02:50

Now if I can just download your pictures, then be the first in line tomorrow at the patenet office. LOL.

Mark, that thing's great. I'm tellin' you though, get a patent pending. It's your brain child, don't let someone else capitalize on "YOUR" invention, when you could. Maybe could even get someone (company) to purchase your patent, and manufacture them. What's it hurt to ask Mark? Might make for a nice retirement nest egg for you and...anyone that you adopt, like me. LOL.

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Willy-N

11-18-2004 18:14:40

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Mark - IN., 11-18-2004 16:39:14

Big bucks to patent a implement like this. All you have to do is move a few parts or make minor changes and it will be different. Mark H.

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Van in AR

11-18-2004 17:10:23

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Re: Finished the Boom, Forks and Hitch Pictures in reply to Mark - IN., 11-18-2004 16:39:14

Its a great idea just not a new idea. I have one just like it with the exception of the boom and the forks. I didn"t need the boom as I have loaders available and my forks are 4" hay tines that are removable. gooseneck ball is there as is the lower reciever. also have a stub boom 16" long 5" below the gooseneck ball that I mount skidding tongs to for woods work. My toplink is hydraulic to tilt the forks, they are hardened and will pick up pallets and fenceposts as well as big rounds. Built mine over a month ago based on this one from tractorbynet. Very handy tool. Link

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