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Lenny

11-18-2004 09:01:26




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I have an 1978 vintage 1070 powershift with less than 4000 hrs on it. Recently the gear transmission locked up in both ranges. A trip to the dealer revealed that 3 of the 4 gears are shot as a result. They want $7000 to fix it. I only paid $8000 for the tractor. I had the powershift rebuilt 2 years ago. The tractor runs great and I would like to keep the tractor but I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions out there.

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Chris J.

11-22-2004 17:41:51




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Lenny, 11-18-2004 09:01:26  
After writing my first post I looked in the 1070 Case Service Manual and discovered that a sliding gear type transmission is used rather than a collar shift design (most tractors use the collar shift type). The advantage of sliding gear design is simplicity, the downside is gear changes involve sliding the gears along a splined shaft with the gear teeth that drive the tractor doing the actual engagement. If an operator grinds/rips gears excessively , it will over time damage the sides of the gears, reducing their overall width with a proportionate reduction in load capacity plus metal shavings of hardened steel end up in the bottom of transmission case and oil. This damage unless extreme would rarely however require that parts be replaced. The design uses 2 shifter forks that move 2 sliding gearsets that have 3 positions each.
One shift fork gives you 1st--neutral--3rd range. The other shift fork gives you 2nd--neutral--4th range. To engage any of the 4 range selections one shift fork must always be in neutral position while the other in its appropriate gear position.
Your current problem is caused by both shift forks being out of neutral at the same time, engaging 2 ranges at the same time causing the transmission to lock. The forks move along two shafts each with three notches cut in corresponding to each shift position. A steel ball under spring pressure moves over these notches (detents) to maintain each position. With proper adjustment, moving the gearshift forward and backward you should feel each detent engage in each of the 3 positions on each side of the H shift pattern . The neutral detent positions must be inline with the side the side movement of the shifter. If the neutral detent is not capable of holding this position the fix would be to increase spring pressure on steel ball or to grind slightly deeper notch in shaft or weld and grind shaft if worn at notch or to replace worn parts.

Unless a gear in the transmission has a broken tooth (very unlikely), it should be possible to repair without any or very little disassembly, some adjustment and almost no cost except time.

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Lenny

11-24-2004 06:24:19




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Chris J., 11-22-2004 17:41:51  
Chris,

You obviously know your stuff. I finally got over to the dealer and had a chance first hand to see the damage. The problem started when the "basket" that holds the fork shafts cracked in one corner preventing the detent from holding it in neutral. When the tractor locked up in both ranges in the field repeated attempts to manhandle it out of gear resulted in the chipping of a number of gears. 4th gear is the worst, completely missing a number of teeth.

It my understanding that to replace the 4th gear which is on the pinion shaft requires splitting the tractor and pulling the rear end completely apart thus a pretty hefty labor bill. I did locate a used transmission and we're in the process of ripping it apart hoping to find lots usable parts.

Unfortunately I don't have a shop well enough to do the job myself. I hope that the decision to fix the tractor pays off in the long run.

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Chris J.

11-22-2004 02:15:54




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Lenny, 11-18-2004 09:01:26  
With regard to your 1070 trans problem.
1. By virtue of the fact that it is locked in gear would indicate that at least 2 of the 4 gears are connected and okay as far as drive train integrity is concerned.
2. When moving the gearshift you are shifting collars (splined couplings) which if damaged would tend to pop out of gear and not lock in.
3. If gears are "shot" they would be very noisy or one gear would be inoperable. To damage 3 gears at once would tend to be impossible.
4. The most logical cause of your problem based on your information---transmission is in 2 gears at the same time caused by either improperly adjusted linkage(external trans) or worn shifter forks(internal trans) that allow collars to move(float) without moving gearshift. Based on your quoted 4000 hrs. if accurate, the fix would most likely be about a 3 minute linkage adjustment.

We also have a 1978 1070 Case 5000+ hrs. very well built, virtually no repairs.
Another Case 2670 we have and use as a dozer tractor broke a planetary gear in the powershift---local dealer quoted $9000 Can. to repair---fixed it ourselves for under $1000 in parts, free labor(on our own time).
You may want to consider a second opinion on your quoted repair it seems excessive.

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Ryan

11-18-2004 10:21:24




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Lenny, 11-18-2004 09:01:26  
I am with Leland, find a parts machine. The 1070 is pretty common. I would stay away from burnt machines, many are burnt because they need major repair.


Ryan



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Lenny

11-18-2004 10:39:41




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Ryan, 11-18-2004 10:21:24  
Ryan & Leland,

Would you recommend looking for a complete transmission, rear end included? If so should I put the rebuilt powershift from my tractor into the replacement?



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Leland

11-18-2004 19:00:59




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Lenny, 11-18-2004 10:39:41  
It would be easier to do a trans-rear swap but only if you had a bonifed good one still a lot of work. but even a good trans would cut costs down on replacment. Have you ever thought of looking for another 1070 and keep this one for parts may be cheaper in long run GOOD LUCK



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Allan in NE

11-18-2004 09:34:32




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Lenny, 11-18-2004 09:01:26  
Hi Lenny,

Have they got that tractor opened up so you can see the actual damage they are squealing about?

If not, this smells a little fishy to me, because to tear up those gears, you would think you would have heard it while it was coming unraveled. If it is not opened up and with less than 4000 hours on the tractor, plus the fact that you have just had it overhauled anyway, I think they are doing a guessing-jig dance with your money.

Now, I know absolutely nothing about your tractor, but I do have a shop guy here who works on 'em. He tells me that he runs into "oil apply" quirks in the hydraulic systems with these powershift tractors.

If the tractor is still in one piece, I'd be for getting a second opinion.

Just tryin to help ya,

Allan

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Lenny

11-18-2004 09:41:14




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Allan in NE, 11-18-2004 09:34:32  
Thanks Allan,

The tractor is at the dealer and they opened up the top of the transmission to give me the bad news. I haven't had the opportunity to see it for myself but I'm planning on it. The dealer is reputable and did the powershift repair. They didn't notice, nor did I any problems with the gear transmission at that time. The tractor would get stuck in gear, multiple I now assume, on occasion. I would have to wrestle with the shift level but it would eventually come out then run fine for a while. I was surprised to hear about the gears being shot. I'm the only driver and don't recall any grinding when if finally got stuck for good. Either way it sounds like a major teardown to fix these gears thus the high price of the repair?

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Leland

11-18-2004 09:33:19




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 Re: Case 1070 transmission in reply to Lenny, 11-18-2004 09:01:26  
Check around for a burnt one or one that has a blown motor,ask insurance companys about what they have coming up for sale you might luck out good luck.



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