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Joeey

11-17-2004 09:43:54




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Hey guys, me again...on that lot, I have city water available, and was wondeirng if we deceided to hook into the header, we would be repsonsible to get the water line back to our house. Might go with well drilling also..

But if we did the city water...Flexicoil water line(2oo psi) is $100 for 300 feet...would need to put it in 3 feet deep...Can a trencher be rented for this? Do the little ones that you see at the rental shops go 3 feet deep? Any ideas are appreciated.

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MarkB_MI

11-17-2004 19:30:38




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
If you look around, you should be able to find a 4 foot trencher you can rent. I rented a 48 inch walk behind a while back. While you have the trencher, go ahead and take care of all the trenches you need: yard hydrants, electrical to the barn, etc. Trenching is a messy job, it's best to get it over and done with.

If you have city water available, it might be in your best interest to go ahead and tap in now. Tap fees tend to go up; it might cost a lot of money to tap in later. Note that if the city runs sewer down your street, you'll probably be required to connect to the sewer and water at whatever price they decide to charge you.

You can still drill a well if you decide to tap into city water. Just don't connect the two systems, or pay attention to the local code if you do.

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Farmered

11-17-2004 18:40:23




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
Most codes now require through the wall and at least ten feet outside the wall be copper for grounding purposes.



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Farmered

11-17-2004 18:34:44




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
Don't forget the poisons that the city is injecting. Flourine is an industrial waste product and has no proven value for tooth decay prevention. That is one reason we moved back to the country. Even if you filter your drinking water you are still absorbing more through your skin with the average hot shower than you would get drinking a glass of the unfiltered stuff. Ed



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Scrub

11-17-2004 19:30:40




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Farmered, 11-17-2004 18:34:44  
I am a licensed water treatment operator in Ohio. Flourine is not used in potable water. Fluoride is used and has been proven to be benificial for teeth in the appropriate doses. In Ohio the Fluoride residual is required to be monitored at least once per shift and at least once per day in the distribution system. The fluoride residual should be 1 mg/l and can range form .8 to 1.3 mg/l with out being in violation. If you took 8.34 pounds of pure fluoride and dissolved it in 1,000,000 gallons (Thats one million) of water you would have a residual of 1 mg/l fluoride. And depending on where in the country you live chances are you have naturally occuring fluoride in your water anyways. Here in central Ohio it averages about 0.38-0.55 mg/l of flouride found in raw water. In some areas out west it may be over 4 mg/l raw fluoride

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Mike (WA)

11-17-2004 17:47:05




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
The trencher that looks line a rototiller (walk behind) will usually only go about 2 feet deep- but the ride-on kind will go 42 inches. If you can do a well (without the municipality making you hook up), you'll be better off (assuming your aquifer is clean). You could just about buy a new well every couple years, with today's cost of municipal water. I have a well at home, but city water at my business- I see the cost of muni water getting higher and higher, while my pump at home just keeps chugging along, for a few dollars a month. To paraphrase a current movie trailer, when the government says "We're here to help you", be afraid- be very afraid.

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Leland

11-17-2004 16:46:58




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
Most will let you install your own line to house from there meter,but I would go at least 4 feet deep 3 sounds a little shallow and during a cold year water line could freeze solid as I have saw a few do before. Most small trenchers will go 4 ft easy as long as your not in a big hurry,but around here most guy's will trench for .95 to $1.00 per foot and they have a good sized trencher and they won't be there long and then all you have to do is connect pipe and turn on water and you could be done this way in as little as 3 hours and you don't have to mess and waste time with a rental

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Joeey

11-17-2004 14:17:13




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
You know what - with City water in Delaware County Ohio "DelCo" as it's called, it cost $4,000 to tap into the system...they say you are buying a "share" of the water company....
I want well water, the wife thinks City water is best...I told her I would buy the best softner and purification system if we did well water - she is reluctant! I just cant get over $4000 and then have to pay monnthly yet....

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OH Boy

11-18-2004 12:32:12




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 14:17:13  
What do you think the 'Best Softener System' is gonna cost? I'm on a private well & septic field. I have about 4 grand in my Kinetico system. Works great but it was costly. After you pay for your well and septic field and a softener system and also the occasional costs of maintaining all of that, city water starts looking like a better deal again.

All of that said, I do like the feeling of turning on the tap and knowing my bill's not going up no matter how much water I use!

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JD_IHC

11-17-2004 17:57:18




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 14:17:13  
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the hookup fee in my earlier post.

What are you buying a share of? Thier bloated out of control internal "costs" (salaries)and the oportunity to have the most progressive and modern water facility in the nation (Lets dig up all the streets yet again). My water still tastes and smells like these guys socks have been soaking in it. I can't use it for drinking without running it through a charcoal filter.

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JD_IHC

11-17-2004 14:05:42




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
Don't be in a hurry to connect to city water. I did about 10 yrs ago and it was costing about $50/yr. Its now close to $700/yr. Once that well is capped, they got ya and they know it. I didn't have a choice but if I did, I'd stay with the well anytime. Can't wait to move up to the farm full time.



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Joe Evans

11-17-2004 10:51:55




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
Three feet might be pushin' it for one of those walk-behind trenchers. I would think the next step up that WILL get you three feet should be pretty reasonable.

Rent the trencher on a Friday PM. Most places will let you have an item during the entire weekend for one day's rental provided it is returmed the following Monday AM.

IF your jurisdiction mandates a potable water line be installed by a licensed plumber, I certainly would think that you could provide the ditch without gettin' anyone's knickers in a knot. With respect to the ditch, a plumbing inspector is going to check depth-of-bury and proper bedding of the line with fill sand or grits.

On the other hand, sometimes it's just better to turn the whole shebang over to a professional. You leave for work in the morning and when you get home, it's done. There's something to be said for that. Noodle out what it's gonna cost you for rental, gas, trencher transportation port-to-port, pipe + fittings etc. and weigh this against what a plumber would charge for a turnkey job.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

11-17-2004 10:01:17




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 Re: OT, installing water line in reply to Joeey, 11-17-2004 09:43:54  
It varies with cities, but many require the line to be installed by a licesned plumber. Also most cities will condem a private well and fine you if you try to use it, even a new one.



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